NAD: Mesa Dual Rec Multi-watt - Questions!

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metal_master":1tbdsa0d said:
Racerxrated":1tbdsa0d said:
cardinal":1tbdsa0d said:
I've had a lot of Rectos.

IMHO the Recto's natural character is just fizzy and a bit furry. It just is. I think it's because the amp is actually pretty uncompressed for the amount of gain it can have, so theres just a lot of high end and low end extension (which people complain about as fizz and flub). But it's also why it sounds massive and mean.

Changing tubes doesn't "help." Boosting can compress and lop off top and bottom, tightening and reducing high-end fizz. It does change the Recto's character, but it's just different, not better or worse.

I think if you listen to recordings of the Recto, you can make out the fizz from it. But you have to listen for it as it generally just gets buried by the cymbals and the like. You mostly just hear the awesomeness of it.

But I wonder if a lot of folks struggling with a Recto really want a 5150. That amp to me is tighter, less fizzy, more compressed than the Recto and is idiot proof.
I always wonder about guys talking about 'fizz'....my take is the 'fizz' just the high end with the amp running at a low volume. That 'fizz' goes away when you put some balls to it and turn up. No more 'fizz'.

To be honest, I never found my Dual rec multiwatt to be fizzy. It had a very bright presence in the upper treble region but no fizz as such. I kept my presence at around 8 oclock, treble between 12 and 1 o'clock, gain at 2:30 and absolutely no fizz with enough top end clarity to avoid sounding muddy.
Taking the gain up past 2:30 and raising the presence or treble too high can make it fizzy. The Mesa is unlike other amps and running any EQ setting too high can make that frequency very sharp.
With one exception though...this amp is so scooped that it benefits with the mids at around 3 oclock and that to me makes it sound balanced. Getting rid of the Mesa branded JJ preamp tubes is essential though. Chinese pre tubes shift the midrange from mid/mids to upper mids spectrum and this gives much better note definition.

I'm pretty sure all the preamp tubes in mine are JJ's. I put a Tungsol in V1.

I primarily live on channel 3. I don't run the gain past 11:00, treble about the same. Presence maybe 10:00, bass about the same.

Definitely gets throaty and fizz goes out the window with volume. An angry beast of an amp!
 
Tung sol in V1 and a Sovtek LPS in the PI got me great results. I think I had JJ's in other spots but can't remember.
 
napalmdeath":3var91z0 said:
metal_master":3var91z0 said:
Racerxrated":3var91z0 said:
cardinal":3var91z0 said:
I've had a lot of Rectos.

IMHO the Recto's natural character is just fizzy and a bit furry. It just is. I think it's because the amp is actually pretty uncompressed for the amount of gain it can have, so theres just a lot of high end and low end extension (which people complain about as fizz and flub). But it's also why it sounds massive and mean.

Changing tubes doesn't "help." Boosting can compress and lop off top and bottom, tightening and reducing high-end fizz. It does change the Recto's character, but it's just different, not better or worse.

I think if you listen to recordings of the Recto, you can make out the fizz from it. But you have to listen for it as it generally just gets buried by the cymbals and the like. You mostly just hear the awesomeness of it.

But I wonder if a lot of folks struggling with a Recto really want a 5150. That amp to me is tighter, less fizzy, more compressed than the Recto and is idiot proof.
I always wonder about guys talking about 'fizz'....my take is the 'fizz' just the high end with the amp running at a low volume. That 'fizz' goes away when you put some balls to it and turn up. No more 'fizz'.

To be honest, I never found my Dual rec multiwatt to be fizzy. It had a very bright presence in the upper treble region but no fizz as such. I kept my presence at around 8 oclock, treble between 12 and 1 o'clock, gain at 2:30 and absolutely no fizz with enough top end clarity to avoid sounding muddy.
Taking the gain up past 2:30 and raising the presence or treble too high can make it fizzy. The Mesa is unlike other amps and running any EQ setting too high can make that frequency very sharp.
With one exception though...this amp is so scooped that it benefits with the mids at around 3 oclock and that to me makes it sound balanced. Getting rid of the Mesa branded JJ preamp tubes is essential though. Chinese pre tubes shift the midrange from mid/mids to upper mids spectrum and this gives much better note definition.

I'm pretty sure all the preamp tubes in mine are JJ's. I put a Tungsol in V1.

I primarily live on channel 3. I don't run the gain past 11:00, treble about the same. Presence maybe 10:00, bass about the same.

Definitely gets throaty and fizz goes out the window with volume. An angry beast of an amp!

Try this...

Tungsol in V1, JJ ECC83S in V5, Chinese in all of the remaining slots.... Killer open tone. No more blanket over cab.

(For some reason the JJ is not dark in V5 like it is in all other slots.)

Get preamp tubes right first, tweak your sittings second. This could be enough. Then think about power tubes in if necessary.

V30 cab is also key. V30s roll off the fizzy treble.

If your referring to fizz at very very low bedroom volume, then this is normal. The tubes and speakers need some volume to open up
 
swamptrashstompboxes":105k4c6s said:
Tung sol in V1 and a Sovtek LPS in the PI got me great results. I think I had JJ's in other spots but can't remember.
Love the Tung Sol in V1.
A lot of guys like Sovtek LPS in the PI. I always found this to add even more brightness which the Dual Rec doesn't need and I'd turn down the presence to compensate. It had the same effect on my Peavey 5150 and could get it out fast enough. I prefer chinese tubes or JJs in the PI depending on the amp. Definitely chinese 12ax7s in the gain slots.
 
I put a quad of JJ 6CA7's in, and obviously they're too cold. Bias only came up to 19.2mA. Uggh.. money down the shitter.
 
napalmdeath":37gxu4cq said:
I put a quad of JJ 6CA7's in, and obviously they're too cold. Bias only came up to 19.2mA. Uggh.. money down the shitter.

Check your PM's later.
 
napalmdeath":3czb9kig said:
I put a quad of JJ 6CA7's in, and obviously they're too cold. Bias only came up to 19.2mA. Uggh.. money down the shitter.
Bias level aside, how did it sound?
 
napalmdeath":jdb1978p said:
I put a quad of JJ 6CA7's in, and obviously they're too cold. Bias only came up to 19.2mA. Uggh.. money down the shitter.

PM's may not be working right for me. I agree with your terms. PM:s wont go out of outbox for some reason.
 
fizz? turn the treble to zero and use the presence knob for treble. worked for me back in the day.
 

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