People with multiple EQ pedals: why don't you just buy gear that sounds good?

[VonBonfire]

I think the most obnoxious music gear corporations plant at least one of those dudes every square mile just to annoy me, and so that I can't move somewhere else

He even filmed the occasion hoping to have some footage to book gigs with. When I opened my eyes he was leaned back, almost against, me, soloing away. Afterwards he tried to recruit the bass player who responded "I play wit mah band, I play at mah chuuch, and den I go home". I think the whole club wanted to wreck him.

 

[rsm]

I like EQ, I use it for a boost or to get a different sound or both with a single channel amp.

multiple EQ pedals on a board? No, I don't get it.

I have an Ibanez Pentatone and a Source Audio EQ2. If I want an EQ pedal, I'll use one of these, not both at the same time.

I usually just go direct into the front of my tube amps, I may put a delay in the loop if the amp has one. The only exception is my VP4 + JP-2C.

 

[GreatRedDragon]

I guess it's not a coincidence that I think all four of those dudes (as popular as they are) have awful tone and sound like shit

I do love randy's playing, but i hate his tone

I think you are conflating separate things here - yes, an eq pedal is great for a swiss army knife solution as a gigging player with backline. Neither I, nor anyone else is disputing that.

But when you get to the point where you have 4-6 EQs in your signal chain, at what point is it just that your gear doesn't sound very good?

I'm not conflating anything.

Randy, Eddie and Dime weren't using them as swiss army solutions though, they were using them for a very specific purpose. If an EQ has multiple useful applications, and you want to use more than one of them, then you're supposed to just not to because it would break a rule of having more than one EQ? What's the difference between getting a second EQ pedal to use as a boost and getting an SD-1 to use as a boost? It's a different pedal so it's better?

Heavy mid boost in front of the amp and heavy mid scoop in the loop. Super popular rig. It's wrong?

The dude's setup has two loopers, a Mel9, an octaver, a Multi-Overtone, and multiple drives. It's clearly meant to hit a wide range of tones and instruments captured and layered live. Abnormal use case, abnormal gear.

There are no rules, only tools.

 

[DanTravis62]

I'm not conflating anything.

Randy, Eddie and Dime weren't using them as swiss army solutions though, they were using them for a very specific purpose. If an EQ has multiple useful applications, and you want to use more than one of them, then you're supposed to just not to because it would break a rule of having more than one EQ? What's the difference between getting a second EQ pedal to use as a boost and getting an SD-1 to use as a boost? It's a different pedal so it's better?

Heavy mid boost in front of the amp and heavy mid scoop in the loop. Super popular rig. It's wrong?

The dude's setup has two loopers, a Mel9, an octaver, a Multi-Overtone, and multiple drives. It's clearly meant to hit a wide range of tones and instruments captured and layered live. Abnormal use case, abnormal gear.

There are no rules, only tools.

Ah yes, instead of getting good sounding gear just get an eq pedal to fix a problem.

In fact why doesn't he just do the most intelligent thing possible;

Then he would have nothing but solutions and no problems in his rig!

This is your logic.

 

[thegame]

Ah yes, instead of getting good sounding gear just get an eq pedal to fix a problem.

In fact why doesn't he just do the most intelligent thing possible;

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Then he would have nothing but solutions and no problems in his rig!

This is your logic.

Dan that is utterly ridiculous. What these guys need is one single 10 band EQ, but each of the ten bands is fixed to the same exact frequency.

 

[DanTravis62]

Dan that is utterly ridiculous. What these guys need is one single 10 band EQ, but each of the ten bands is fixed to the same exact frequency.

THINK OF HOW MANY PROBLEMS YOU COULD SOLVE AT THAT FREQUENCY!

 

[DanTravis62]

In fact, why doesn't he just put an EQ before the tone knob in his guitar to solve that pesky volume roll problem! No treble bleed needed!

Just solving problems with the boss GE7 as god intended.

In fact, you could have even more control if you put the GE7 both in front of the volume knob AND the tone knob of the guitar! Double EQ control and problem solving for all of the big brained rig geniuses!

 

[Hiwatts-n-Gibsons]

Yep, don't like his tone, think it's wildly overrated boomerslop

Pink Floyd is like boomer coldplay and the endless glazing makes me question legions of people's sanity

Which one? His tones are wildly different between all the prime Floyd albums. Animals, Meddle, DSOTM, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall used different guitars, amps, fx and overall have very different production. If there's an overall theme it's lots of Fender single coils, the ever-present Echorec, and lots of Hiwatt which will definitely impart a certain character. But there are some very different overdrive, fuzz, and modulation fx on different albums and tracks, also a good bit of Fender and Mesa Boogie amp tones in there. As well as different cabs and speakers later in his career, but with the Fane Crescendo loaded WEM cabs being the mainstay for those albums.

If I had to choose it would be his tone on Live at Pompei that takes the prize, with Wish You Were Here taking a close 2nd place.

 

[DanTravis62]

Which one? His tones are wildly different between all the prime Floyd albums. Animals, Meddle, DSOTM, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall used different guitars, amps, fx and overall have very different production. If there's an overall theme it's lots of Fender single coils, the ever-present Echorec, and lots of Hiwatt which will definitely impart a certain character. But there are some very different overdrive, fuzz, and modulation fx on different albums and tracks, also a good bit of Fender and Mesa Boogie amp tones in there. As well as different cabs and speakers later in his career, but with the Fane Crescendo loaded WEM cabs being the mainstay for those albums.

If I had to choose it would be his tone on Live at Pompei that takes the prize, with Wish You Were Here taking a close 2nd place.

I mostly mean his distortion tones. All eras. The clean tones are all pretty good.

 

[CrystalSky]

Fully agree Dan. Also why these homeless dudes don’t buy themselves a house?!

But seriously, I sometimes see guys with big pedalboards and be like naaaaah man too much to my taste. I am a bit(or not a bit) retarded, I like everything simple, so I am not to be taken seriously on the matter

 

[DanTravis62]

Fully agree Dan. Also why these homeless dudes don’t buy themselves a house?!

But seriously, I sometimes see guys with big pedalboards and be like naaaaah man too much to my taste. I am a bit(or not a bit) retarded, I like everything simple, so I am not to be taken seriously on the matter

It's not a matter of simplicity or complexity of the player, it's that the more variables you add to a rig the more there is to go wrong.

And if you are already "fixing issues" with half a dozen EQ pedals, I have news for you; you sound like shit.

 

[Hiwatts-n-Gibsons]

I mostly mean his distortion tones. All eras. The clean tones are all pretty good.

Fair enough.

 

[VonBonfire]

Fully agree Dan. Also why these homeless dudes don’t buy themselves a house?!

But seriously, I sometimes see guys with big pedalboards and be like naaaaah man too much to my taste. I am a bit(or not a bit) retarded, I like everything simple, so I am not to be taken seriously on the matter

I agree with this. For the price of the average TGP rig I could buy a comfortable vacation home in Mississippi.

 

[stratjacket]

I use an EQ in a frown in front and a Mesa 5 Band EQ post in a smile. Always on. I’d highly recommend that to anyone who’s never tried it. It just finishes everything off. More is more type thing.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[DanTravis62]

I use an EQ in a frown in front and a Mesa 5 Band EQ post in a smile. Always on. I’d highly recommend that to anyone who’s never tried it. It just finishes everything off. More is more type thing.

Different strokes for different folks.

I use a GE7 in front of my GE7 with GE7s in parallel through a morley ABY box - the extra noise of the 46 GE7s and the phase cancelling of having multiple EQs equalizing my EQ just gives it that extra je ne sais quois

 

[Metalhex]

Who makes good quality eq pedals with fx loop that allows you to put both pre and post eq?

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

Who makes good quality eq pedals with fx loop that allows you to put both pre and post eq?

My Boss GT1000 does this but that is a large unit even for an alleged size queen such a yourself.

 

[DanTravis62]

Who makes good quality eq pedals with fx loop that allows you to put both pre and post eq?

the boss eq 200, the ibanez pentatone, a bunch of the programmable ones have an option like this depending on exactly what you're trying to do

 

[Metalhex]

the boss eq 200, the ibanez pentatone, a bunch of the programmable ones have an option like this depending on exactly what you're trying to do

I was just thinking that if you wanted maximum tone sculpting capabilities that goes beyond the controls of an amplifier, since alot of eq pedals have to be either pre or post depending on where you place it.

 

[DanTravis62]

I was just thinking that if you wanted maximum tone sculpting capabilities that goes beyond the controls of an amplifier, since alot of eq pedals have to be either pre or post depending on where you place it.

If you need maximum tone sculpting capabilities, your amp probably sounds bad enough that you have bigger fish to fry

Generally speaking though, if you have a problem frequency that won't go away in your rig, need to boost frequencies for leads, or some minor problem like that, an EQ in the loop is a good solution.

The reason you'd want it before AND in the loop is to just do the job a tube screamer et al would do anyways, and take up one less output on your power supply, or slightly less space on your board, or something like that?