4x12 for my Plexi

[FourT6and2]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah No fucking way I'm paying that much for a wooden box. I'm sure they're great and all. But I'm not looking to recreate the sound of vintage amps and vintage cabs down to the T. I'll stick with Bogner. Metropoulos makes good shit. But You'd have to be crazy to spend $1600+ on a speaker cab. Hell, $1,000 is a rip-off, but that's the going rate for most cabs these days.

When the speaker cab costs more than the amp, you know you've got a problem...

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

http://plexireplicas.com/true-replica-cabinets/1968-basketweave-cabinets/

By far the best cabs I've heard. These are the only exact replicas i know of. The boys brought down 2 4x12's last week to beat on. Ridiculously solid. I'd say these were made for Plexi's. I'm smiling ear to ear typing this. I also ran them through my Metropolous Modded Metro 50.... I gotta go play guitar

Unloaded for $999?

It's just below $1900 shipped with Scumbacks.

Sorry Dude!!It's the best $1900.00 you'll ever spend on a cab. Speakers are personal options/opinions I suppose. There is no opinion on the cabs though, they are absolute. The cab's brought down were Celestion h30's and 20's in the Pinstripe. Ran through a Metropolous 2203 100wt/ 2205 PTP JCM800, Metropolous modded 50, Randall 100h, Blackstar H-5, and a host of pedals....The Abunai from Tone Freaks just owned the 800's...
Wait til you get the cab man!! You'll see!!

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah No fucking way I'm paying that much for a wooden box. I'm sure they're great and all. But I'm not looking to recreate the sound of vintage amps and vintage cabs down to the T. I'll stick with Bogner. Metropoulos makes good shit. But You'd have to be crazy to spend $1600+ on a speaker cab. Hell, $1,000 is a rip-off, but that's the going rate for most cabs these days.

When the speaker cab costs more than the amp, you know you've got a problem...

Well, I'm sure you can put any speaker in there you'd like to suit your tastes, but the H30's did the job excellent at handling gain at all stages. The 20's did too. I think my problem was I'm not a cosmetic junkie and these cabs are perfection to the T so even spending 1k on a unloaded is hard because I know in 2 months it will be ripped, worn, and totally not what it looks like now. Cubic airspace on the other hand is essential to a great speaker and in the end everything adds up. Just trying to help you out man : ) You asked for a cab for your plexi. The pinstripe cloth on the other cab is extremely expensive. I couldn't get that one because of how I treat my gear.lol.
How is $1,000.00 a rip off if that's what the going rate is for most? If that's the case I'd rather spend my money on something absolute and authentic. Made in the usa to boot..

 

[FourT6and2]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah No fucking way I'm paying that much for a wooden box. I'm sure they're great and all. But I'm not looking to recreate the sound of vintage amps and vintage cabs down to the T. I'll stick with Bogner. Metropoulos makes good shit. But You'd have to be crazy to spend $1600+ on a speaker cab. Hell, $1,000 is a rip-off, but that's the going rate for most cabs these days.

When the speaker cab costs more than the amp, you know you've got a problem...

Well, I'm sure you can put any speaker in there you'd like to suit your tastes, but the H30's did the job excellent at handling gain at all stages. The 20's did too. I think my problem was I'm not a cosmetic junkie and these cabs are perfection to the T so even spending 1k on a unloaded is hard because I know in 2 months it will be ripped, worn, and totally not what it looks like now. Cubic airspace on the other hand is essential to a great speaker and in the end everything adds up. Just trying to help you out man : ) You asked for a cab for your plexi. The pinstripe cloth on the other cab is extremely expensive. I couldn't get that one because of how I treat my gear.lol.
How is $1,000.00 a rip off if that's what the going rate is for most? If that's the case I'd rather spend my money on something absolute and authentic. Made in the usa to boot..

$1,000 is certainly a rip-off for a box of wood. Just because that's the going-rate for a cab doesn't mean it's a fair price for what the product actually is. I think we have different taste as well. I played a Marshall straight 4x12 that looked just like those Metro cabs: pinstripe grill, 100 in the corner, etc. Loaded with H30's. Sounded awful to me. A 1960 Lead with Greenbacks sitting next to it sounded much better.

And Bogner cabs are made in the USA, too. There's nothing inauthentic about their products. Thanks for the suggestion, though. At the end of the day it boils down to two things: sound quality and value. A faithful recreation of a 60's Marshall cab for $1600 is certainly lacking in value. Can't speak about its sound, though, as I've never played one. Hell, there's an early 70's straight cab with G12M Creambacks for sale locally for $700 if I want to go the "authentic Marshall" route.

At this point, I'm pretty sure I'll go with a Bogner 4x12, rear-loaded with Greenbacks.

 

[Loudness250]

I would have jumped on that Bogner for 600$, Sounds like a killer deal or talk them down to 550$.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

$1,000 is certainly a rip-off for a box of wood. Just because that's the going-rate for a cab doesn't mean it's a fair price for what the product actually is. I think we have different taste as well. I played a Marshall straight 4x12 that looked just like those Metro cabs: pinstripe grill, 100 in the corner, etc. Loaded with H30's. Sounded awful to me. A 1960 Lead with Greenbacks sitting next to it sounded much better.

And Bogner cabs are made in the USA, too. There's nothing inauthentic about their products. Thanks for the suggestion, though. At the end of the day it boils down to two things: sound quality and value. A faithful recreation of a 60's Marshall cab for $1600 is certainly lacking in value. Can't speak about its sound, though, as I've never played one. Hell, there's an early 70's straight cab with G12M Creambacks for sale locally for $700 if I want to go the "authentic Marshall" route.

At this point, I'm pretty sure I'll go with a Bogner 4x12, rear-loaded with Greenbacks.

With all due respect, if you were to put all those cabs side by side with your Plexi and play them you'd hear HUGE differences, assuming your ears aren't shot, that is, and that your Plexi is also dialed in correctly to take advantage of the differences in tone.

Too bad you don't live in So Cal, I'd invite you to my place to try all of the originals and the clones side by side with your amp head. By the time you left you would more than likely be singing/posting a different tune, and retracting the post you just made.

I'm not here to start a flame war, but I remember thinking just like you about 10-12 years ago, back when I thought speakers, cabs, construction, etc made little to no difference and I made decisions based on $$$ instead of tone. Just saying I found out the hard way what a big difference cabs can make even if you do have great speakers.

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah No fucking way I'm paying that much for a wooden box. I'm sure they're great and all. But I'm not looking to recreate the sound of vintage amps and vintage cabs down to the T. I'll stick with Bogner. Metropoulos makes good shit. But You'd have to be crazy to spend $1600+ on a speaker cab. Hell, $1,000 is a rip-off, but that's the going rate for most cabs these days.

When the speaker cab costs more than the amp, you know you've got a problem...

Well, I'm sure you can put any speaker in there you'd like to suit your tastes, but the H30's did the job excellent at handling gain at all stages. The 20's did too. I think my problem was I'm not a cosmetic junkie and these cabs are perfection to the T so even spending 1k on a unloaded is hard because I know in 2 months it will be ripped, worn, and totally not what it looks like now. Cubic airspace on the other hand is essential to a great speaker and in the end everything adds up. Just trying to help you out man : ) You asked for a cab for your plexi. The pinstripe cloth on the other cab is extremely expensive. I couldn't get that one because of how I treat my gear.lol.
How is $1,000.00 a rip off if that's what the going rate is for most? If that's the case I'd rather spend my money on something absolute and authentic. Made in the usa to boot..

$1,000 is certainly a rip-off for a box of wood. Just because that's the going-rate for a cab doesn't mean it's a fair price for what the product actually is. I think we have different taste as well. I played a Marshall straight 4x12 that looked just like those Metro cabs: pinstripe grill, 100 in the corner, etc. Loaded with H30's. Sounded awful to me. A 1960 Lead with Greenbacks sitting next to it sounded much better.

And Bogner cabs are made in the USA, too. There's nothing inauthentic about their products. Thanks for the suggestion, though. At the end of the day it boils down to two things: sound quality and value. A faithful recreation of a 60's Marshall cab for $1600 is certainly lacking in value. Can't speak about its sound, though, as I've never played one. Hell, there's an early 70's straight cab with G12M Creambacks for sale locally for $700 if I want to go the "authentic Marshall" route.

At this point, I'm pretty sure I'll go with a Bogner 4x12, rear-loaded with Greenbacks.

A rip off for a custom birch box to exact specs/thickness as a vintage Marshall cab? I think not. Going rate? To my knowledge 1k is a lot for a cab and is not the going rate for something that may "look just like" each other. The details and tone say it all. I have 1960 leads with Greenbacks- Sounds god awful next to the Metropolous. Not nearly the same in construction. Close but no cigar. Bogners are cool. All in what you like. A bogner, is a bogner authentic to bogner.
Just an opinion, and they do differ. Take them like grains of salt. Just because it was suggested does not mean its right for you. BTW, I was not only speaking about "Authentic" repo's, but you asked for some suggestions for your Metro 50 wt-

 

[Dr. Swamp]

Well, I'm sure you can put any speaker in there you'd like to suit your tastes, but the H30's did the job excellent at handling gain at all stages. The 20's did too. I think my problem was I'm not a cosmetic junkie and these cabs are perfection to the T so even spending 1k on a unloaded is hard because I know in 2 months it will be ripped, worn, and totally not what it looks like now. Cubic airspace on the other hand is essential to a great speaker and in the end everything adds up. Just trying to help you out man : ) You asked for a cab for your plexi. The pinstripe cloth on the other cab is extremely expensive. I couldn't get that one because of how I treat my gear.lol.
How is $1,000.00 a rip off if that's what the going rate is for most? If that's the case I'd rather spend my money on something absolute and authentic. Made in the usa to boot..

From the discussion, it seems they're saying $1000 is the going rate for a loaded cab, while it's the rate for an unloaded version of this cab.

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

Well, I'm sure you can put any speaker in there you'd like to suit your tastes, but the H30's did the job excellent at handling gain at all stages. The 20's did too. I think my problem was I'm not a cosmetic junkie and these cabs are perfection to the T so even spending 1k on a unloaded is hard because I know in 2 months it will be ripped, worn, and totally not what it looks like now. Cubic airspace on the other hand is essential to a great speaker and in the end everything adds up. Just trying to help you out man : ) You asked for a cab for your plexi. The pinstripe cloth on the other cab is extremely expensive. I couldn't get that one because of how I treat my gear.lol.
How is $1,000.00 a rip off if that's what the going rate is for most? If that's the case I'd rather spend my money on something absolute and authentic. Made in the usa to boot..

From the discussion, it seems they're saying $1000 is the going rate for a loaded cab, while it's the rate for an unloaded version of this cab.

Ah ok. Well within $100/$200 difference between that and the unloaded Scumback cabs. Either way, they are awesome cabs.lol.

 

[jlbaxe]

FWIW GC has a DT50 4x12 cab $700 and yes it has a Line6 badge on it but It seems to be identical in specs to my Bogner XTC 4x12 cab. Bogner worked a lot with Line6 on the DT50 amp so it makes sense it is the same cab. Great deal for a new cab, just take the Line6 logo off

As far as the expensive cabs sounding better, Ehh probably but in a live mix with a hall full off screaming people no one is going to know or care how much you paid for a cab as long as the band sounds good and having fun.

I would take a Bogner cab any day over my Marshall cab or other cabs.

Hendrix was not using vintage cabs or guitars…all his stuff was new or a few years used. All the bands we look back on, Clapton, Page, etc were using new equipment.

 

[FourT6and2]

With all due respect, if you were to put all those cabs side by side with your Plexi and play them you'd hear HUGE differences, assuming your ears aren't shot, that is, and that your Plexi is also dialed in correctly to take advantage of the differences in tone.

Too bad you don't live in So Cal, I'd invite you to my place to try all of the originals and the clones side by side with your amp head. By the time you left you would more than likely be singing/posting a different tune, and retracting the post you just made.

I'm not here to start a flame war, but I remember thinking just like you about 10-12 years ago, back when I thought speakers, cabs, construction, etc made little to no difference and I made decisions based on $$$ instead of tone. Just saying I found out the hard way what a big difference cabs can make even if you do have great speakers.

I'd love to stop by and be able to test a bunch of cabs. But yeah. I live on the East Coast.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Never did I claim that "speakers, cabs, construction etc. make little to no difference." I'm just saying that I'm NOT spending $1,600+ on a speaker cab that's aimed at recreating (down to the smallest detail) a 60's Marshall cabinet. That is not my goal. I'm not hunting after "classic" tone and I don't care about keeping things "authentic." That seems to be what the Metro cabs are aimed at.

I completely agree that most cabs sound different from each other, even with the same speakers. But, there is a line that I must draw. And that line is the Value::Sound ratio.

A rip off for a custom birch box to exact specs/thickness as a vintage Marshall cab?

I'm not looking for a "custom" cab built to "exact vintage Marshall specs." Please keep that in mind. That's probably why the Metro cabs are so expensive. That and the small-scale production.

To my knowledge 1k is a lot for a cab and is not the going rate for something that may "look just like" each other.

$1,000 is about the average price for a decent 4x12 cabinet (new), LOADED with speakers. Give or take. While Metro cabs are upwards of $1,600. That's a LOT. A new Bogner cab, loaded with Greenbacks is $1,000 or so. Bogner cabs are generally considered some of the best production cabs out there. And so far, the ones I've tried have sounded pretty damn good!

I have 1960 leads with Greenbacks- Sounds god awful next to the Metropolous.

I'm sure it does. But, again, I'm not dropping that kind of cash for a speaker cabinet. It's never going to happen. Period. If the thing was under $1,000 I'd consider it. Right now, I'll stick with what I can actually try for myself. If anybody near Atlanta has a Metro cab they'll let me try, I'm down. But, no matter how good it sounds, I'm never going to pay that kind of money for one. Sorry.

 

[FourT6and2]

FWIW GC has a DT50 4x12 cab $700 and yes it has a Line6 badge on it but It seems to be identical in specs to my Bogner XTC 4x12 cab. Bogner worked a lot with Line6 on the DT50 amp so it makes sense it is the same cab. Great deal for a new cab, just take the Line6 logo off

Interesting. I'll look into it.

EDIT: Not the same cabinet. Made of different wood and different dimensions.

DT50:
Height: 30.70"
Width: 29.90"
Depth: 14"
Weight: 88 pounds

11-ply Poplar.

I have one other cab to check out. A '74 Marshall straight cab with Creambacks. If I don't like it, I'm going with the Bogner.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Hendrix was not using vintage cabs or guitars…all his stuff was new or a few years used. All the bands we look back on, Clapton, Page, etc were using new equipment.

Uh...yeah...but have you priced an original lately? That's why the replica cabs go for what they go for. If current production cabs sounded like the old cabs from the 60's, there wouldn't be a market for George's cabs...or mine for that matter.

 

[MotorCityPickUps]

With all due respect, if you were to put all those cabs side by side with your Plexi and play them you'd hear HUGE differences, assuming your ears aren't shot, that is, and that your Plexi is also dialed in correctly to take advantage of the differences in tone.

Too bad you don't live in So Cal, I'd invite you to my place to try all of the originals and the clones side by side with your amp head. By the time you left you would more than likely be singing/posting a different tune, and retracting the post you just made.

I'm not here to start a flame war, but I remember thinking just like you about 10-12 years ago, back when I thought speakers, cabs, construction, etc made little to no difference and I made decisions based on $$$ instead of tone. Just saying I found out the hard way what a big difference cabs can make even if you do have great speakers.

I'd love to stop by and be able to test a bunch of cabs. But yeah. I live on the East Coast.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Never did I claim that "speakers, cabs, construction etc. make little to no difference." I'm just saying that I'm NOT spending $1,600+ on a speaker cab that's aimed at recreating (down to the smallest detail) a 60's Marshall cabinet. That is not my goal. I'm not hunting after "classic" tone and I don't care about keeping things "authentic." That seems to be what the Metro cabs are aimed at.

I completely agree that most cabs sound different from each other, even with the same speakers. But, there is a line that I must draw. And that line is the Value::Sound ratio.

A rip off for a custom birch box to exact specs/thickness as a vintage Marshall cab?

I'm not looking for a "custom" cab built to "exact vintage Marshall specs." Please keep that in mind. That's probably why the Metro cabs are so expensive. That and the small-scale production.

To my knowledge 1k is a lot for a cab and is not the going rate for something that may "look just like" each other.

$1,000 is about the average price for a decent 4x12 cabinet (new), LOADED with speakers. Give or take. While Metro cabs are upwards of $1,600. That's a LOT. A new Bogner cab, loaded with Greenbacks is $1,000 or so. Bogner cabs are generally considered some of the best production cabs out there. And so far, the ones I've tried have sounded pretty damn good!

I have 1960 leads with Greenbacks- Sounds god awful next to the Metropolous.

I'm sure it does. But, again, I'm not dropping that kind of cash for a speaker cabinet. It's never going to happen. Period. If the thing was under $1,000 I'd consider it. Right now, I'll stick with what I can actually try for myself. If anybody near Atlanta has a Metro cab they'll let me try, I'm down. But, no matter how good it sounds, I'm never going to pay that kind of money for one. Sorry.

FWIW, That was the hardest thing for me to get over, the money. Knowing what hell awaited it and the condition it will be in a few months. Its hard to justify, but the tones. Alls groovey man!!
Peace, Wade

 

[charveldan]

I paid $500 bucks for this Blackback cab at my local Vintage guy, by far the best sounding cab i've ever had, no need to spend 2K on a cab.

It's not a question of "if" you'll find one, more like when, if your looking.

 

[FourT6and2]

With all due respect, if you were to put all those cabs side by side with your Plexi and play them you'd hear HUGE differences, assuming your ears aren't shot, that is, and that your Plexi is also dialed in correctly to take advantage of the differences in tone.

Too bad you don't live in So Cal, I'd invite you to my place to try all of the originals and the clones side by side with your amp head. By the time you left you would more than likely be singing/posting a different tune, and retracting the post you just made.

I'm not here to start a flame war, but I remember thinking just like you about 10-12 years ago, back when I thought speakers, cabs, construction, etc made little to no difference and I made decisions based on $$$ instead of tone. Just saying I found out the hard way what a big difference cabs can make even if you do have great speakers.

I'd love to stop by and be able to test a bunch of cabs. But yeah. I live on the East Coast.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Never did I claim that "speakers, cabs, construction etc. make little to no difference." I'm just saying that I'm NOT spending $1,600+ on a speaker cab that's aimed at recreating (down to the smallest detail) a 60's Marshall cabinet. That is not my goal. I'm not hunting after "classic" tone and I don't care about keeping things "authentic." That seems to be what the Metro cabs are aimed at.

I completely agree that most cabs sound different from each other, even with the same speakers. But, there is a line that I must draw. And that line is the Value::Sound ratio.

A rip off for a custom birch box to exact specs/thickness as a vintage Marshall cab?

I'm not looking for a "custom" cab built to "exact vintage Marshall specs." Please keep that in mind. That's probably why the Metro cabs are so expensive. That and the small-scale production.

To my knowledge 1k is a lot for a cab and is not the going rate for something that may "look just like" each other.

$1,000 is about the average price for a decent 4x12 cabinet (new), LOADED with speakers. Give or take. While Metro cabs are upwards of $1,600. That's a LOT. A new Bogner cab, loaded with Greenbacks is $1,000 or so. Bogner cabs are generally considered some of the best production cabs out there. And so far, the ones I've tried have sounded pretty damn good!

I have 1960 leads with Greenbacks- Sounds god awful next to the Metropolous.

I'm sure it does. But, again, I'm not dropping that kind of cash for a speaker cabinet. It's never going to happen. Period. If the thing was under $1,000 I'd consider it. Right now, I'll stick with what I can actually try for myself. If anybody near Atlanta has a Metro cab they'll let me try, I'm down. But, no matter how good it sounds, I'm never going to pay that kind of money for one. Sorry.

FWIW, That was the hardest thing for me to get over, the money. Knowing what hell awaited it and the condition it will be in a few months. Its hard to justify, but the tones. Alls groovey man!!
Peace, Wade

Well, feel free to chip in. Wanna go halvesies on the cab with me?

 

[FourT6and2]

I paid $500 bucks for this Blackback cab at my local Vintage guy, by far the best sounding cab i've ever had, no need to spend 2K on a cab.

It's not a question of "if" you'll find one, more like when, if your looking.

Yeah, that's similar to one I've got my eye on. '74 with Creambacks. Guy wants $800 for it. But I'm sure I can talk him down. I'm gonna check it out later in the week.

 

[9ball]

i like my 1960AV.
i'd say find a good used vintage.

 

[ericsabbath]

just grab the goddamn uberkab
in my experience, broken in chinese greenbacks sound just as good as 70's ones
rola G12M's sound smoother and fuzzier
reissues are a bit clearer and punchier
they just sound different, not worse

 

[Riddick]

I have one of the Metro True Replica Cabs--bottom straight I am thinking of selling, it's loaded with English made V-30's but sounds great.