AxeFx insanity....

[Gainfreak]

Another question for you guys who are using this unit live. What are your thoughts on the best way to control changes on the fly?

Right now I just switch my patches for all the tones just by programming single patches and I just switch up or down via midi. There is so much that you can do via midi with this thing that its insane. I know that Ed DeGenaro uses expression pedals on some of his patches to switch between clean and dirty or the amount of effects. To put it bluntly, there are so many ways to approach this that it will make your head spin!! Im going to be working on some patches this weekend!! I have some ideas that Im sure that will torture me lol

With that said, to me the easiest way is to just make single patches and switch them on the fly via midi but the sky really is the limit.

~R~

 

[ejecta]

I can't help but wonder if a simple tube di in the loop of the axe would shave away the digital directness and plump up the outcome?

Does wonders for exactly that. If I "had" to give up my Two Rock Classic Reverb, I could survive...lol.... with a good tube preamp/DI/buffer in the loop of the Axe.

I have a VHT Valvulator, would you put that in the loop of the Axe ala input 2 and output 2?

 

[Anonymous]

instead of me being persuaded to accept the axe will do tube response maybe it's the axe guys that should explore just how undigital it can sound with the addition of a tube buffer in the preamp chain.

or get a hold of Hadley Hockensmith

http://www.harmonicconverger.com/HC_Home.html

What the hell????

Steve

 

[rsm]

instead of me being persuaded to accept the axe will do tube response maybe it's the axe guys that should explore just how undigital it can sound with the addition of a tube buffer in the preamp chain.

or get a hold of Hadley Hockensmith

http://www.harmonicconverger.com/HC_Home.html

but this thing has great reviews at HC?

Seems like snake oil to me, but people say it works? Who knows? I didn't hear any fizz or have any dynamics problems with my Ultra, but I'm noticing some fizz (very faint) using my ToneLab LE (that has a tube, works great for what it does, I'm using it for amp/cab sims, some reverb, noise gate, compressor, that's about it, for rhythm tones), but no dynamics or feel concerns with it either.

In any case, the Harmonic Converger is not on my buy list. But, those reviews?!!! Must be something to this thing, but I'll let someone else here try it first.

Then there's this from one review:

"Ignore all of the other nonsense you've heard about what it supposedly does. It is a passive high shelf eq filter. For $275. "

For the price, there are cheaper ways to add tubes into the Axe-Fx buffer if you want.

 

[richedie]

So are you guys still loving this thing? How about the feel?

Right now I can't afford an Axe-FX and Egnater tube amp so it might have to be one or the other....plus I don't think I can justify two rigs for a guy who plays part time and for a hobby, LOL.

I do miss true variety though. I just know what a huge step up it was going from a Line 6 Vetta to an Egnater Mod 50. Big jump in tone, cut and feel...plus little tweaking involved.

 

[dfrattaroli]

....Game Over.

 

[dfrattaroli]

...plus I don't think I can justify two rigs for a guy who plays part time and for a hobby, LOL.

Neither can I. But that didn't stop me.

 

[Jdub]

Insanity. feel insane myself. The Ultra will be here tomorrow.

 

[* velcro-fly *]

Done. Game over. Match, point, set....

 

[jcj]

Done. Game over. Match, point, set....

I wanna hear the Bogner patch

 

[Digital Jams]

Done. Game over. Match, point, set....

I have to agree, you are done with a rig like that knowing what you like and what you look for.


That is one killer rig, now hotplate the Aiken and send the line level into the axe for some huge slaved mayhem

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

 

[degenaro]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

 

[rsm]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

I am just asking. No reason to be a wiseass.
Axe into VHT power amp still sounded like a modeler. I am asking how to dial that sound out of it. That is why I am on the fence between getting an Ultra or a G System.
I've heard great clips of the unit, but they still retain that processed, synthetic sound on higher gain settings.
RRBH

 

[degenaro]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

I am just asking. No reason to be a wiseass.
Axe into VHT power amp still sounded like a modeler. I am asking how to dial that sound out of it. That is why I am on the fence between getting an Ultra or a G System.
I've heard great clips of the unit, but they still retain that processed, synthetic sound on higher gain settings.
RRBH

Well I guess you answered your question then. To me it doesn't sound like a modeller...with or without power amp.
Can you tell which of those samples are the miked amp and which are the Axe direct to disc?
http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/prod ... ctid=24177

As for "being" a wise ass...you asked a loaded question.

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

I am just asking. No reason to be a wiseass.
Axe into VHT power amp still sounded like a modeler. I am asking how to dial that sound out of it. That is why I am on the fence between getting an Ultra or a G System.
I've heard great clips of the unit, but they still retain that processed, synthetic sound on higher gain settings.
RRBH

Well I guess you answered your question then. To me it doesn't sound like a modeller...with or without power amp.
Can you tell which of those samples are the miked amp and which are the Axe direct to disc?
http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/prod ... ctid=24177

As for "being" a wise ass...you asked a loaded question.

The problem I have with that comparison is Studio Magic.
I've listened to all the stuff there and it all sounds great. But as a semi-retarded player, how do I dial out the stuff I'm talking about.
I've heard full CD's done with an old school pod that killed. But it was all in the engineer/producers Magic.

 

[degenaro]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

I am just asking. No reason to be a wiseass.
Axe into VHT power amp still sounded like a modeler. I am asking how to dial that sound out of it. That is why I am on the fence between getting an Ultra or a G System.
I've heard great clips of the unit, but they still retain that processed, synthetic sound on higher gain settings.
RRBH

Well I guess you answered your question then. To me it doesn't sound like a modeller...with or without power amp.
Can you tell which of those samples are the miked amp and which are the Axe direct to disc?
http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/prod ... ctid=24177

As for "being" a wise ass...you asked a loaded question.

The problem I have with that comparison is Studio Magic.
I've listened to all the stuff there and it all sounds great. But as a semi-retarded player, how do I dial out the stuff I'm talking about.
I've heard full CD's done with an old school pod that killed. But it was all in the engineer/producers Magic.

I seriously don't believe that you can polish a turd. Or in studio magic.
I don't know what you mean by sounding like a modeler, if you can define it different I might be able to tell ya.
What I know is that if you know how to get your sound of any amp you can get it out of the Axe. If you one of the guys that dials via fishing for some kinda pleasing tone, it'll be much harder then if you know what you need. If that makes sense.

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

Is there any way to totally dial out the processed "modeler" sound that it has?

Of course not. Those of us using it like to sound like crap.
What kinda answer you think a loaded question like that will get?

I am just asking. No reason to be a wiseass.
Axe into VHT power amp still sounded like a modeler. I am asking how to dial that sound out of it. That is why I am on the fence between getting an Ultra or a G System.
I've heard great clips of the unit, but they still retain that processed, synthetic sound on higher gain settings.
RRBH

Well I guess you answered your question then. To me it doesn't sound like a modeller...with or without power amp.
Can you tell which of those samples are the miked amp and which are the Axe direct to disc?
http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/prod ... ctid=24177

As for "being" a wise ass...you asked a loaded question.

The problem I have with that comparison is Studio Magic.
I've listened to all the stuff there and it all sounds great. But as a semi-retarded player, how do I dial out the stuff I'm talking about.
I've heard full CD's done with an old school pod that killed. But it was all in the engineer/producers Magic.

I seriously don't believe that you can polish a turd. Or in studio magic.
I don't know what you mean by sounding like a modeler, if you can define it different I might be able to tell ya.
What I know is that if you know how to get your sound of any amp you can get it out of the Axe. If you one of the guys that dials via fishing for some kinda pleasing tone, it'll be much harder then if you know what you need. If that makes sense.

There is just a synthetic type sound to all the preamps. For lack of better terminology, very NON TUBE sounding and thin.
It has a subtle sterility to it that I hear in all the clips I've heard. Most buried in the effects, but still there.
Maybe I just need to spend more time with one and really learn how it works from the ground up.
I'm sure if I buy one and don't gel with it, someone will buy it.
RRBH

 

[degenaro]

There is just a synthetic type sound to all the preamps. For lack of better terminology, very NON TUBE sounding and thin.
It has a subtle sterility to it that I hear in all the clips I've heard. Most buried in the effects, but still there.
Maybe I just need to spend more time with one and really learn how it works from the ground up.
I'm sure if I buy one and don't gel with it, someone will buy it.
RRBH

Far be it from me to tell you how and what you're hearing, but I find it neither synthetic nor "non tube" sounding. It sounds pretty much the same as any of my set-ups.