Cabinet for EVH 5150 III Stealth 100W

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Yes, exactly. Fender engineering used 4 20w parts and fender marketing decided that was 100w because they had a 100w amp and they didn't want to deal with it. You'd need a doctor with a flashlight to find where the other 20w came from.

Fair enough. I have never blown a speaker doing it, and am not concerned about doing so in the future.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Either way. We can talk about wattage rating til we are blue in the face. But some of us have run these cabs for years at volume with zero consequences

100% this. Regardless if it's 20 watts or 25 watts, the fact is there are no widespread reports of people melting the speakers in the EVH 412 cab using a 100 watt head.

Sure If you're pushing a Marshall Super Lead into power amp distortion there's a good chance you'll melt the voice coil since you're probably putting out 200 watts or more. If you're running a high gain amp like the EVH Stealth or similar you're getting all you saturation from the preamp and are not approaching the max power handling of the speakers. Any experienced high gain player know power amp distortion = diarrhea farts. So you're not going to approach max clean power to be loud enough where it would destroy the speaker.

 

[The~Kid]

And honestly me and @Rackman have hardly agreed on much to my recollection..... This is like the only thing we agree on or one of the few things......


Its essentially like arguing gravity or the conservation of energy....... Its just basic fundamentals based on reality, facts, science, maths, objectivity and the laws of physics.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

100% this. Regardless if it's 20 watts or 25 watts, the fact is there are no widespread reports of people melting the speakers in the EVH 412 cab using a 100 watt head.

Sure If you're pushing a Marshall Super Lead into power amp distortion there's a good chance you'll melt the voice coil since you're probably putting out 200 watts or more. If you're running a high gain amp like the EVH Stealth or similar you're getting all you saturation from the preamp and are not approaching the max power handling of the speakers. Any experienced high gain player know power amp distortion = diarrhea farts. So you're not going to approach max clean power to be loud enough where it would destroy the speaker.

It is really sad that such a simple situation of non issue has led to this many pages of bickering, mostly by one dipshit clinging to a notion with no actual experience

 

[The~Kid]

100% this. Regardless if it's 20 watts or 25 watts, the fact is there are no widespread reports of people melting the speakers in the EVH 412 cab using a 100 watt head.

Sure If you're pushing a Marshall Super Lead into power amp distortion there's a good chance you'll melt the voice coil since you're probably putting out 200 watts or more. If you're running a high gain amp like the EVH Stealth or similar you're getting all you saturation from the preamp and are not approaching the max power handling of the speakers. Any experienced high gain player know power amp distortion = diarrhea farts. So you're not going to approach max clean power to be loud enough where it would destroy the speaker.

Yes but technically one can develop issues regarding power handling and it's important to be aware of the risk. Nothing more or less than that......


Be aware of the risk and if your comfortable with it enjoy, if not check out other options...... No harm, no foul

 

[The~Kid]

That's an amusing line of bullshit. Celestion states the spec clearly. It's 20w. That's what's printed on the speaker. That's what's on their website. That's what resellers quote.

It would be to Celestion's advantage to sell the speaker as a 25w unit. They don't because they can't because it's not

Yes, exactly. Fender engineering used 4 20w parts and fender marketing decided that was 100w because they had a 100w amp and they didn't want to deal with it. You'd need a doctor with a flashlight to find where the other 20w came from.

Pretty much this. Good stuff

 

[IndyWS6]

Can we move on and discuss whether “nooks” and space are real?

 

[MadAsAHatter]

All I do is match ohms . I have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about. But ask Omni about my tones in person . They are great . So why even think about this stuff
My 98 5150II has never even blown a tube . Still sounds great . I’ve just used with 1x 12 to a full stack . I just match ohms
I’m blown away by this thread . So have any you fucked your amps up this way as debated ? Like what’s the odds . Who’s had it happen ?
Genuinely curious

I play mostly high gain so no, I've never blown a speaker and I regular play loud; like 105 dB is my baseline. My saturation comes mainly from the preamp, not power amp. From your clips I suspect the same of your playing. So I'm not pushing past the listed rating of my amp. For the longest time I gigged my Crate BV300 with a a cab that only handled 240 watts (4 V30's). The BV300 sports a SVT power section; and we all know how loud that can get. There was many a time I'd sneak the volume up during practice to drown out the entire band where you could barely hear the ting of the cymbals being smashed. Never blew a speaker. Then I was never really pushing my amp into power tube saturation and not approaching max clean power.

Even if you did blow a speaker I'd think you'd hear it pretty easily. And if you did you'd still have a load on you amp. So as long as you shut it off things would be fine; even a blown speaker has a load.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Right on man.... Whatever what's the point.

Subjective rumors/myth vs actual verifiable data and facts from Celestions website, PDF and spec sheet.

How is that verifiable ? Are you fucking retarded ?


You just say shit that sounds good in your head don't you ?


The fact is it's a well known and multiply verified by Celestion and Fender reps that these are in fact 25 watt speakers. Guys who know what they are talking about here have been telling you, a random dumbshit who can barely play guitar and looked at one spec sheet from a speaker that isn't the one in the cab in question, that this has been known for years. Even by me. The fact is you tried to act like you know some shit, stepped in it and got called out by pretty much everybody else and rather than saying, "Fuck, I was wrong, sorry", you continue to insult people and pretend in your own adderol addled brain that you are correct.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Yes, exactly. Fender engineering used 4 20w parts and fender marketing decided that was 100w because they had a 100w amp and they didn't want to deal with it. You'd need a doctor with a flashlight to find where the other 20w came from.

That would be illegal.

You from TGP too ain't ya ?

 

[Floyd Eye]

It is really sad that such a simple situation of non issue has led to this many pages of bickering, mostly by one dipshit clinging to a notion with no actual experience

She's trying to play big shot like she knows everything. It's hardly a new phenomenon. Happens on gun forums too. Mostly by people who are addicted to posting, as evidenced by the many threads she has here where she is basically talking to herself for 19 pages. As well as interjecting herself into shit like the Lisa thread for example, where she pretended almost like she knew her personally. They read a question, then google it and spout it as if they already knew the answer. This time her answer was based on a well known fallacy. And she's too fucking stupid to have just slinked away about 10 pages ago like a good girl.

 

[The~Kid]

How is that verifiable ? Are you fucking retarded ?


You just say shit that sounds good in your head don't you ?


The fact is it's a well known and multiply verified by Celestion and Fender reps that these are in fact 25 watt speakers. Guys who know what they are talking about here have been telling you, a random dumbshit who can barely play guitar and looked at one spec sheet from a speaker that isn't the one in the cab in question, that this has been known for years. Even by me. The fact is you tried to act like you know some shit, stepped in it and got called out by pretty much everybody else and rather than saying, "Fuck, I was wrong, sorry", you continue to insult people and pretend in your own adderol addled brain that you are correct.

Honestly at this point...... If you want to believe in Santa Clause go right ahead. Thats on you but anyone interested can look at the actual facts and evidence presented and judge for themselves objectively......



Cheers and have a good day *_*

 

[griff10672]

after I sign my name ......... someone please come kick the chair for me

25 pages in ....... I can't take it anymore

 

[VonBonfire]

Can we move on and discuss whether “nooks” and space are real?

n00ks are fake, so is space.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Honestly at this point...... If you want to believe in Santa Clause go right ahead. Thats on you but anyone interested can look at the actual facts and evidence presented and judge for themselves objectively......



Cheers and have a good day *_*

So your one reference that has been proven incorrect trumps multiple sources including Fender and Celestion representatives? Keep on living in your delusion.

 

[The~Kid]

So your one reference that has been proven incorrect trumps multiple sources including Fender and Celestion representatives? Keep on living in your delusion.

Hey you can believe what you want......

Not my fault you want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever vs facts presented. That's on you bro.

Have a good day and cheers *_*

 

[MadAsAHatter]

n00ks are fake, so is space.

I'm just going to say it outright. Shut the fuck up. This has no relevance to the topic at hand. Keep your science if fake to yourself here. Save it for OTC.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Hey you can believe what you want......

Not my fault you want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or whatever vs facts presented. That's on you bro.

Have a good day and cheers *_*

Not my fault you're a complete brain dead moron who can't accept when they're wrong.

I talked to your PCP and he gave me your brain scan. Turns out you're missing the part that controls critical thinking and the ability to shut the fuck up.

 

[The~Kid]

Not my fault you're a complete brain dead moron who can't accept when they're wrong.

I talked to your PCP and he gave me your brain scan. Turns out you're missing the part that controls critical thinking and the ability to shut the fuck up.

Right.... How hilarious


Cheers and have a great day

 

[VonBonfire]

I'm just going to say it outright. Shut the fuck up. This has no relevance to the topic at hand. Keep your science if fake to yourself here. Save it for OTC.

Oh ok tough guy. Didn't know you were in charge here.

n00ks aren't real, space is fake.