How to deal with small amp builders?

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a mfg consultant is not going to tell you to do a run that has no market.

Entertaining thread

are you guys doing this in your spare time or full time? Seem to be spending an awful lot of time in this tread nit picking every sentence and response.
 
Shawn Lutz":1rm2a35c said:
a mfg consultant is not going to tell you to do a run that has no market.

Entertaining thread

are you guys doing this in your spare time or full time? Seem to be spending an awful lot of time in this tread nit picking every sentence and response.
I'm a full time thread nitpicker.

Steve
 
sjk":2c0ogksh said:
None of my business but you have already stated this so I will ask, are you a multi millionaire, Well done if so :rock: You are obviously very passionate about arguing your beliefs about how you believe an amp manufacturer should operate and how CECamps is not doing it the proper way or how you would do it....BUT if you did not have significant assests (assuming you do) your outlook might be closer to his or at least more understanding of his operation. Rip on me all you want but after reading your posts and dissection of his posts, it comes off as kind of harsh and attack-like. Just an opinion.
My outlook would be the same regardless of the significance of my assets (which I do not discuss). I am only attacking statements being made, and I am not telling CECamps how to do anything, it's a free country and he can do business however he wants. I'm also free to disagree and to communicate what I believe about business from my practical experience and as a customer of small businesses. Business is harsh, it's a tough world out there, I'm the least of anyone's problems...

Steve
 
rupe":2sg93iy3 said:
The_Mako_Maker":2sg93iy3 said:
Do you offer any custom laughter? I'd like a custom blend of Abbott and Costello, Fran Drescher, Jerry Lewis, Jim Carrey, and Jerry Reed.
He can do it but it will require a significant deposit ;)
Yeah, that is custom work - get some skin in the game, will ya?

Steve
 
It's "show business" folks, not "show friendship"!

Suck it up! :uzi: You might take a metaphorical bullet now and then..... :rock:







P.S. This place ROCKS. :lol: :LOL:
 
oldmanmetal":3sdk634e said:
JTyson":3sdk634e said:
Rushtallica":3sdk634e said:
sah5150":3sdk634e said:
JTyson":3sdk634e said:
I've been waiting on a Landgraff mod for almost 4 years :aww: I'm trying to be patient, but its tough. It seems 3-5 years is not unusual for John.
I don't care if it is the best sounding Marshall eva', then when I'm done playing it, it turns into a supermodel, who blows me, then gets me an In-N-Out combo and a six pack of beer before immediately turning back into the amp, four f'n years for an amp mod is f'n ridiculous and there can be no justification for it.

Nothin' against you for your willingness to wait, bro, but I would never be willing to wait that long for music gear of any kind.

Steve

Yeah, F that noise. And if a fair sum of money was put down to be waiting that long, I'd have demanded it back a long, long time ago and would be raising hell if I didn't get it.
It wasent, its just the wait. And a long wait it is, but at this point I think I'm better off riding it out than picking up an amp that is not finished. Those are my options. Nobody wants to finish something that someone else started
If I had it to do over I would not be willing to wait this long, but it is what it is :aww:

I have talked with Jtyson about our dealings with Landgraff. I have known John for 10+ years. Considered him one of my closest personal friends for most of that. He had severla thousands of my $$ for quite a few years. Custom double pedal, Money for a heavily modded Engl preamp, Musicman HD130 to be worked on and modded, and some other mods. After 4 years of excuses, misinformation, drama, he finally sent me my double pedal, which I immediately sold to Japan. He sent me his personal modded Dynamic OD, to cover more of what he owes me. Still no Engl, still no Musicman. Makes it MUCH harder when someone has been a close personal friend. I am sure that is why people defend Mark Cameron, and others like him. I don't consider Landgraff like Cameron, but sadly it seems to be headed that way. I have learned some very hard lessons, and have been buying and selling for over 20 years, much of that as a substantial part of my income. Waiting a few weeks more for a piece of gear, not a big deal. Just have good communication, and things happen sometimes. Especially with small builders with no or few employees, and no real backup plan.
Agreed..
I know you got a far more bitter pill to swallow than I did, although I learned a lesson here myself, my situation has not changed since we last spoke, I can go pick up a started but not finished project, or try to wait it out a bit longer. At this point I have decided to try to get a finished amp, but I can safely say I would never go through this again with anyone. I figure I have less to loose by waiting a little longer than by picking it up as is :aww:
That sucks that you were done that way by someone you considered a friend, that makes it way more complicated..
Live and learn I guess, right? What else are you gonna do?
I'm gonna hold out a tad longer and see what happens. At some point soon, I will go and get it whatever the case is :doh: :doh: :doh:
 
Seems everyone is just arguing business models: Inventory vs. J.I.T. High customization/low volume vs. Low Customization/High Volume.
 
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