So is the Atomica really THE Atomica Curt played?

[OBGYNkanobi]

Those chicks need to work out.

 

[nitro]

Digital jams,I know what your saying about the VTM,Ed did play though that amp(VTM) but wanted more, thats where the 5150 came in which was what Ed and Jose had in mind,I should have clarified it better on my first post.

 

[Digital Jams]

Digital jams,I know what your saying about the VTM,Ed did play though that amp(VTM) but wanted more, thats where the 5150 came in which was what Ed and Jose had in mind,I should have clarified it better on my first post.

Not sure about this but I know for a fact the Golden amp was not in play at that time. It would be amazing if that amp ever showed up after the project was ditched.

 

[Digital Jams]

That chic playing the marshall/orange rig is fucking hot though, my wife is yelling it is a guy but I aint buying it

 

[FortinAmps]

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's labeled that way; they're obviously two duplicate pics. I just downloaded it from the Metro site to share with you guys here as I thought it was kind of applicable. Anyways, it reminded me of the Atomica story when I saw it; I think there's even a thread about it over there. There were supposedly two of these prototypes that Jose and Ed had worked on that were setup with internally jumpered channels and had Orange Drops and one of the "beefed up" Output Transformers that were made at Valley Electronics for Jose by a guy named Arson.
I think the photo was from the ebay auction a few years ago when it was sold. Who knows if the story is even true. I guess Mark Cameron would be the man to ask about it.

That above pic was pulled from that ebay auction. It was the prototype for the 2 channel Golden amp. I personally know the guy who owned that amp. He worked out of Jose's shop in the late 80's into the early 90's. Mainly testing/QCing amps, running errands etc. Jose at first loaned him that amp while he was going to rebuild his other Marshall. Long story short, he ended up with it. He did sell it back to EVH btw. Matt Bruck contacted him within hours of the auction posting.

Arson at Valley Electronics did wind transformers for Jose. During the many errand runs, he did end up buying a couple of the same OTs Jose used from Arson.

Cheers,
Mike

 

[mentoneman]

so is this all to say that the modern cameron and fortin tones are derived from the brainchild of VH and jose?

 

[japetus]

People still chasing a ghost from 35 years ago.

 

[Digital Jams]

so is this all to say that the modern cameron and fortin tones are derived from the brainchild of VH and jose?

Mike always stated that his take, which is different than Mark's, was not his and does not put his name on that design. Fortin amps are not marshalls with jose mods.

 

[Gainfreak]

so is this all to say that the modern cameron and fortin tones are derived from the brainchild of VH and jose?

I can tell you from 100% certainty that as far as the Fortins are concerned, only the Cali was inspired from Jose. Mike Bones amp, Meathead and NATAS are all his designs

 

[Gainfreak]

People still chasing a ghost from 35 years ago.

Much like People still playing strats, Lp's and Plexi's. From the 50's and 60's.
It's all relative to what you like.

 

[Digital Jams]

so is this all to say that the modern cameron and fortin tones are derived from the brainchild of VH and jose?

I can tell you from 100% certainty that as far as the Fortins are concerned, only the Cali was inspired from Jose. Mike Bones amp, Meathead and NATAS are all his designs

You sure?

The Meathead looks really close to a modded marshall

 

[Gainfreak]

so is this all to say that the modern cameron and fortin tones are derived from the brainchild of VH and jose?

I can tell you from 100% certainty that as far as the Fortins are concerned, only the Cali was inspired from Jose. Mike Bones amp, Meathead and NATAS are all his designs

You sure?

The Meathead looks really close to a modded marshall

Maybe so but it wasn't inspired from Jose.... Stick to the topic MR.....

 

[Digital Jams]

Ok!

IMO , I wrote "IMO" because I read on TGP nobpdy can sue me if I write that, the Atomica is a low gain non doide clipping circuit and if that name is used it should be built that way

 

[Gainfreak]

Ok!

IMO , I wrote "IMO" because I read on TGP nobpdy can sue me if I write that, the Atomica is a low gain non doide clipping circuit and if that name is used it should be built that way

 

[steve_k]

Atomica 100

 

[Digital Jams]

Atomica 100

You meant JCM800 with the high gain jose circuit.

 

[OBGYNkanobi]

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's labeled that way; they're obviously two duplicate pics. I just downloaded it from the Metro site to share with you guys here as I thought it was kind of applicable. Anyways, it reminded me of the Atomica story when I saw it; I think there's even a thread about it over there. There were supposedly two of these prototypes that Jose and Ed had worked on that were setup with internally jumpered channels and had Orange Drops and one of the "beefed up" Output Transformers that were made at Valley Electronics for Jose by a guy named Arson.
I think the photo was from the ebay auction a few years ago when it was sold. Who knows if the story is even true. I guess Mark Cameron would be the man to ask about it.

That above pic was pulled from that ebay auction. It was the prototype for the 2 channel Golden amp. I personally know the guy who owned that amp. He worked out of Jose's shop in the late 80's into the early 90's. Mainly testing/QCing amps, running errands etc. Jose at first loaned him that amp while he was going to rebuild his other Marshall. Long story short, he ended up with it. He did sell it back to EVH btw. Matt Bruck contacted him within hours of the auction posting.

Arson at Valley Electronics did wind transformers for Jose. During the many errand runs, he did end up buying a couple of the same OTs Jose used from Arson.

Cheers,
Mike

Mike,

Thanks so much for the info; I was curious if that amp ever wound up back in Ed's hands. Do you know any specifics of that OT, as far as primary impedance, laminations used, 1.5" vs 2" stack or whether it was more linear in it's response? The OT has always seemed to be the big missing link in Ed's tone. I think I'm in the ballpark now with what Mercury cooked up for me, but if you know anyone who has detailed info on that OT, I'd be forever greatful. I heard that Arson had past away...R.I.P., but do you know whatever happened to Valley Electronics; are they sill around?

-Ben

 

[FortinAmps]

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's labeled that way; they're obviously two duplicate pics. I just downloaded it from the Metro site to share with you guys here as I thought it was kind of applicable. Anyways, it reminded me of the Atomica story when I saw it; I think there's even a thread about it over there. There were supposedly two of these prototypes that Jose and Ed had worked on that were setup with internally jumpered channels and had Orange Drops and one of the "beefed up" Output Transformers that were made at Valley Electronics for Jose by a guy named Arson.
I think the photo was from the ebay auction a few years ago when it was sold. Who knows if the story is even true. I guess Mark Cameron would be the man to ask about it.

That above pic was pulled from that ebay auction. It was the prototype for the 2 channel Golden amp. I personally know the guy who owned that amp. He worked out of Jose's shop in the late 80's into the early 90's. Mainly testing/QCing amps, running errands etc. Jose at first loaned him that amp while he was going to rebuild his other Marshall. Long story short, he ended up with it. He did sell it back to EVH btw. Matt Bruck contacted him within hours of the auction posting.

Arson at Valley Electronics did wind transformers for Jose. During the many errand runs, he did end up buying a couple of the same OTs Jose used from Arson.

Cheers,
Mike

Mike,

Thanks so much for the info; I was curious if that amp ever wound up back in Ed's hands. Do you know any specifics of that OT, as far as primary impedance, laminations used, 1.5" vs 2" stack or whether it was more linear in it's response? The OT has always seemed to be the big missing link in Ed's tone. I think I'm in the ballpark now with what Mercury cooked up for me, but if you know anyone who has detailed info on that OT, I'd be forever greatful.

-Ben

No problem Ben. The one in the prototype was a 1.5" stack. I have one in my possession atm, if I have time over the weekend, I'll shoot a signal into it to determine the Raa and take some inductance readings on the windings. I'm betting it will be a C1998 clone.

IMHO, you should give George's C1998V or Merren's C1998 replica a go.

Cheers,
Mike

 

[Digital Jams]

Yeah, I'm not sure why it's labeled that way; they're obviously two duplicate pics. I just downloaded it from the Metro site to share with you guys here as I thought it was kind of applicable. Anyways, it reminded me of the Atomica story when I saw it; I think there's even a thread about it over there. There were supposedly two of these prototypes that Jose and Ed had worked on that were setup with internally jumpered channels and had Orange Drops and one of the "beefed up" Output Transformers that were made at Valley Electronics for Jose by a guy named Arson.
I think the photo was from the ebay auction a few years ago when it was sold. Who knows if the story is even true. I guess Mark Cameron would be the man to ask about it.

That above pic was pulled from that ebay auction. It was the prototype for the 2 channel Golden amp. I personally know the guy who owned that amp. He worked out of Jose's shop in the late 80's into the early 90's. Mainly testing/QCing amps, running errands etc. Jose at first loaned him that amp while he was going to rebuild his other Marshall. Long story short, he ended up with it. He did sell it back to EVH btw. Matt Bruck contacted him within hours of the auction posting.

Arson at Valley Electronics did wind transformers for Jose. During the many errand runs, he did end up buying a couple of the same OTs Jose used from Arson.

Cheers,
Mike

Mike,

Thanks so much for the info; I was curious if that amp ever wound up back in Ed's hands. Do you know any specifics of that OT, as far as primary impedance, laminations used, 1.5" vs 2" stack or whether it was more linear in it's response? The OT has always seemed to be the big missing link in Ed's tone. I think I'm in the ballpark now with what Mercury cooked up for me, but if you know anyone who has detailed info on that OT, I'd be forever greatful.

-Ben

No problem Ben. The one in the prototype was a 1.5" stack. I have one in my possession atm, if I have time over the weekend, I'll shoot a signal into it to determine the Raa and take some inductance readings on the windings. I'm betting it will be a C1998 clone.

IMHO, you should give George's C1998V or Merren's C1998 replica a go.

Cheers,
Mike

So you have one of Jose's transformers?

Very cool you are sharing this info Mike, maybe that transformer is the missing part to Atomica!

 

[OBGYNkanobi]

No, I wish. I asked Mercury Magnetics to do a custom wind based on what I think is the OT Ed had in his amp. I'm not sure if it's the right one, but it sounds pretty spot on to me. It's a 2" core 2.2k based on a rare Drake that I think came in some Park amps around 66.

Pure speculation here, but I'm kind of wondering if that's what Arson didn't make a batch of for jose and Ed when Ed burned one up. Those things were very rare and would be difficult to find, but you could tear it apart, spec it out and make a few. If Ed just wanted a "beefed up" transformer, the 1202-132 Drakes were much more plentiful and easy to obtain. there's plenty of Super Basses floating around that you could snag one from, but they don't do what this OT does.

John Suhr and Dave Friedman have both confirmed Ed's amp had a 100k/4ohm NFB setup. Try that NFB setup with a 68 Plexi spec amp and put it to the test. Put 100k on the 4 ohm tap with a C1998 Dagnall or a Drake 1202-132 and the low-end will get flubby and the highs will get fizzy and harsh. The higher primary impedance helps soften the highs and clean up the low-end. This OT sounds a little more linear in it's response, which might help lessen some of the added NFB from the 100k/4ohm being fed back in.

The affect this OT has on the mids is a more rounded vocal like affect. It's an awwwwwww as opposed to ehhhhhhhhh. Sorry, I don't have a better way to describe it. Even though the mids are rounder and more 3D-like, the flater, more linear response of the OT seems to necessitate bumping them up to get them in the mix like what you hear in Ed's tone. Here's where the V2 fat cap paralleled over the .68uf/820 comes in. I think the value on Ed's amp was like 330uf. Try that on a 68 Plexi spec amp with a Dagnall C1998 OT and a 100k/4ohm NFB setup and you will have a muddy mess...at least I did. With the right OT, the pieces fall into place.

I know I'm off topic, but to tie it back in, I'm inclined to think the Golden Amp and Atomica were using this same OT, as IMHO, it was a big paart of Ed's sound.

Anyways, I could be totally wrong, but it just sounds right to me.