So NAM A2 is shitting all over everything and I'm here for it.

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

You can run a line out from an audio interface into a power amp and then into your 4x12. I've got a ton of DI profiles that sound great into a real cab.

I suppose i could run it into the return of my amp? I have never tried. I have some pretty nasty presets made that could work. I actually should send those to someone to try also

 

[DanTravis62]

I suppose i could run it into the return of my amp? I have never tried. I have some pretty nasty presets made that could work. I actually should send those to someone to try also

It's been really enlightening for me sharing profiles with people that play similar styles of music to me, and then comparing notes and recordings

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

There is actually something i just realized that may be a bit offtopic, but may be relevant. When i make presets, because the EQ is essentially fixed, when i play with a different guitar, it sounds bad.

I wonder if this is some of what is happening when one person tries another's preset

 

[chumbucket]

There is actually something i just realized that may be a bit offtopic, but may be relevant. When i make presets, because the EQ is essentially fixed, when i play with a different guitar, it sounds bad.

I wonder if this is some of what is happening when one person tries another's preset

It does. I notice a huge difference in pickups using NAM. I'm finding that I like hotter vintage to medium output pickups best for it. It's like looking at something with a magnifying glass.

 

[vultures]

If you are, you can make it work wonderfully. If you expect to fire up whatever the latest flavor of the month unit is (in this case the NAM A2) and immediately get results like people like Piggy, vultures, Medic, or I get, you are doing the equivalent of plugging a guitar into a stock marshall plexi with the volume at 2 and wondering why it doesn't sound like "'ain't talkin bout love."

I have no doubts at all that my dialed in tone sounds like ass for anyone who doesn't play the exact type of stuff I do.

Plus don't forget the fact you need a laptop worth a damn, monitors, interface and all this other BS especially if you are looking to play live with this stuff......



What's that cost..... 4 or 5 thousand bucks just to sound decent. So if you have all this stuff to begin with fine but for others who look at this and just use real gear either digital/analog gear in pedals or amps this is just crazy. No matter how good it is I don't care.....




Maybe they can easily have it in a pedal or make a real amp and sell that and then I will care.....



Until then I'm just going to look at this stuff and be like meh, it's cool but who gives a fuck and I aint buying an expensive ass Apple/Intel Laptop, monitors or some other shit and what have you

I have a gaming PC I bought earlier this year for about $1700 (before price hikes), a pair of Yamaha HS8's I bought years ago for $400+/- and a UA Volt 176 for $150. I use the PC for fun, work, TV/movies as well as music so I can't equate the full value just for guitar gear. I think any serious musician should invest in monitors so it's not a huge investment to grab NAM vst for free and start jamming/writing. Playing live? Grab a NAM player for $500 and a Spark FRFR for $300. If I jam, I bring a Quad Cortex in a case, Spark FRFR in the other hand and my gigbag on my back. A lot easier than lugging a 200lb+ rack and a huge 4x12. You don't need expensive stuff.

 

[DanTravis62]

I have no doubts at all that my dialed in tone sounds like ass for anyone who doesn't play the exact type of stuff I do.

This isn't just a problem for modeling amps - any time someone hears my soloed tones without the context of a mix they always say the same shit about how its too ___, too ____, not enough gain, etc

I assume the context of the player matters, just like the context of a recording

 

[vultures]

This isn't just a problem for modeling amps - any time someone hears my soloed tones without the context of a mix they always say the same shit about how its too ___, too ____, not enough gain, etc

I assume the context of the player matters, just like the context of a recording

Exactly. I've got a buddy who used to tour with a medium sized band in the 80s. He toured with multiple Marshall heads & cabs. He uses a Helix floorboard now. When he plugs in it sounds so big, saturated and juicy. I'll plug into the same setup and it feels too wimpy, not enough gain in my hands. I gotta really dig in. That's the hardest part about the modeling stuff. We all dial shit in so weird for ourselves.

 

[chumbucket]

I try to dial in tones to backing tracks, so that I'll have a good idea of how it will sound in a mix. If I just wing it, it doesn't work that great. What sounds great in your jam room while you're noodling, will disappear in a mix.

 

[njshred]

Seems like the Kemper idea expanded upon.

 

[DanTravis62]

Exactly. I've got a buddy who used to tour with a medium sized band in the 80s. He toured with multiple Marshall heads & cabs. He uses a Helix floorboard now. When he plugs in it sounds so big, saturated and juicy. I'll plug into the same setup and it feels too wimpy, not enough gain in my hands. I gotta really dig in. That's the hardest part about the modeling stuff. We all dial shit in so weird for ourselves.

I've noticed that a lot of the time when there's "not enough gain" or "too much gain" there's something going on in the situation that doesn't line up. Either the intended use-case, or the volume, or something.

Like for example, people who only play in their bedrooms laugh when gigging players say a JCM800 or 2203 has plenty of gain - volume changes everything. An 800 at stage volume has plenty of gain for most rock and punk music. At bedroom volume it's going to sound like wimpy shit lol.

Or conversely when someone makes a profile specifically for doing leads with lots of tapping, or for woodshedding leads - well no shit it's going to have too much gain for a rhythm sound, especially a recorded rhythm sound.

 

[70 Mach 1]

Im on RT over 3 yrs and i never have a clue what you guys are ever talking about

My bad for being a blues faggot i guess

 

[DanTravis62]

Im on RT over 3 yrs and i never have a clue what you guys are ever talking about

My bad for being a blues faggot i guess

The viability of the new modeler software (neural architecture 2) for the quad cortex - its supposed to be really impressive. Nigel was impressed

We're generally talking about what situations digital excels at, which situations it doesn't, and who it makes sense for, and who it doesn't make sense for

 

[Shask]

This is how i feel. I just want one great sound 99% of the time

One thing that takes me awhile to make captures is because I like to do 6 settings per channel. I basically never move anything except the mids knob, as that is the one knob that can make a big difference with different guitars and cab/IR. I will take 6 settings where I move the mid knob from zero to about 2 oclock.

 

[Corey James]

I have no doubts at all that my dialed in tone sounds like ass for anyone who doesn't play the exact type of stuff I do.




I have a gaming PC I bought earlier this year for about $1700 (before price hikes), a pair of Yamaha HS8's I bought years ago for $400+/- and a UA Volt 176 for $150. I use the PC for fun, work, TV/movies as well as music so I can't equate the full value just for guitar gear. I think any serious musician should invest in monitors so it's not a huge investment to grab NAM vst for free and start jamming/writing. Playing live? Grab a NAM player for $500 and a Spark FRFR for $300. If I jam, I bring a Quad Cortex in a case, Spark FRFR in the other hand and my gigbag on my back. A lot easier than lugging a 200lb+ rack and a huge 4x12. You don't need expensive stuff.

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I’m not into captures yet, but I dig what you’ve captured on your screens, my man

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Like for example, people who only play in their bedrooms laugh when gigging players say a JCM800 or 2203 has plenty of gain - volume changes everything.

Just remember, not all bedroom guitarists play at beta volume.

 

[DanTravis62]

Just remember, not all bedroom guitarists play at beta volume.

of course not, just like I couldn't beat every woman's ass

I'm sure Ronda Rousey or some UFC broad could probably take me

 

[JackBootedThug]

This is why I want to grab that little Chinese modeler I posted up a couple weeks ago for like $50. It does its thing but it also runs the Nam profiles. I think that’s a sweet feature. Please I have my isp power amp that I’m only using to power a pedal only rig. Which is surprisingly pretty sweet sounding.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

of course not, just like I couldn't beat every woman's ass

I'm sure Ronda Rousey or some UFC broad could probably take me

I feel like me and you are champions of two different factions and we are pointing flamethrowers at eachother. But i am beginning to think it is our bias that makes us this way.

I think instead of focusing on gigging artists vs hobbyists, we should instead set fire to those who celebrate mediocre gear.

A way to simplify this would be to first set fire to those who celebrate mediocrity.

It logically follows that we must set fire to geargasms

 

[Nigel]

The viability of the new modeler software (neural architecture 2) for the quad cortex - its supposed to be really impressive. Nigel was impressed

We're generally talking about what situations digital excels at, which situations it doesn't, and who it makes sense for, and who it doesn't make sense for

I'm talking about Steve Atkinson's Neural Amp Modeler Architecture 2 (NAM A2), which is different than Neural DSP / Quad Cortex.

https://www.neuralampmodeler.com/

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

I'm talking about Steve Atkinson's Neural Amp Modeler Architecture 2 (NAM A2), which is different than Neural DSP / Quad Cortex.

https://www.neuralampmodeler.com/

I liked the idea of quad cortex and almost bought one. But then i found out you cant switch presets instantaneously. I think maybe they fixed it? But by then i had another tube amp.

I think if the dsp just focused on nailing being a guitar modeler and forwent going for multiple instruments.

I really hate that they try to make things appealing to so many but never really try to be great. When there are so many modellers that are really kicking ass, the price will get low enough that I might feel like buying one because none of my friends touch them so I never get to try the damn things