The Official You do not have gas for an AXEFX thread.

[UltraGary]

The stuff I read about Axe-FX reminds me of all the guitar synthesizer stuff I was reading in the 80s...and then the Line6 modelling stuff in the 90s.
I appreciate folks embracing these types of new technologies....but not only will our amp rigs remain relatively unchanged....but those who bought into this stuff too deeply will be re-buying amps like the ones they sold to buy this sh*t.

And some of us don't sell their amps and all the gear lives quite happily together...
In my case...
5 THD, 3 Marshall, 2 VHT, Mesa, Soldano, Rivera, Line6, Axe-Fx.

Oh hell yea. Dude....I've seen your gear and it often makes me jealous! YOU, sir....are not the average guy. You're way ahead of most players with not only gear, but general professionalism and knowledge. That said...we've all seen the 'Gear Spam' threads here with so many nice amps being sold for guys to get their Axe-FX. I applaud your having both. Hell....I'd have everything if I could!
PS> Can I have one of your amps that you're not using since you got your Axe-FX??? Please?....

 

[degenaro]

No one feels threatened. I think this topic is going because Axe-FX is one of those pieces of gear that make sooo many guitarists blab on these forums like Hanah Montana fans.

And this is different than any other lemming run off the cliff how?
Whether it's a 5150, Powerball, Sig-X, JVM. Axe Fx...all the same. Folks run out to buy it because they somehow get convinced it's the end all be all of gear that will fix thei playing, it doesn't and the cycle starts over. That said, the usual cycle is a couple of weeks so FWIW I'm pretty stunned of how ong the interest on the Axe has held.

 

[degenaro]

The stuff I read about Axe-FX reminds me of all the guitar synthesizer stuff I was reading in the 80s...and then the Line6 modelling stuff in the 90s.
I appreciate folks embracing these types of new technologies....but not only will our amp rigs remain relatively unchanged....but those who bought into this stuff too deeply will be re-buying amps like the ones they sold to buy this sh*t.

And some of us don't sell their amps and all the gear lives quite happily together...
In my case...
5 THD, 3 Marshall, 2 VHT, Mesa, Soldano, Rivera, Line6, Axe-Fx.

Oh hell yea. Dude....I've seen your gear and it often makes me jealous! YOU, sir....are not the average guy. You're way ahead of most players with not only gear, but general professionalism and knowledge. That said...we've all seen the 'Gear Spam' threads here with so many nice amps being sold for guys to get their Axe-FX. I applaud your having both. Hell....I'd have everything if I could!
PS> Can I have one of your amps that you're not using since you got your Axe-FX??? Please?....

Thanks. Unlikely on the amp, I have this habbit of hording things.
Sheet I was too lazy to pull out the rack last night and grabbed the Spider Valve with the G-System. And I dug that just as much. For me it's a matter of getting the job done with whatever I grab for it. Not what is uised for it.

As for the spam threads...that always has amused me. Especially the repeted buying and selling of the same gear.

 

[bikerdude2]

No gas here. Everytime I get gas, I sell my Bogner and always end up coming back. I think I've found what works the best for me, and finally realize I need to stop gassing, and work on my playing more.

 

[SkyhighRocks]

I can only speak for myself but I took a chance on the axe...bought it before I sold stuff off but ended up really digging it. My situation doesn't allow me to keep amp after amp...wish I could but we're all in different boats.

 

[ejecta]

Looking around my gear room, here are the tube amps I see at first glance...

Bogner XTC 101B
Mesa Dual recto rackmount
SLO Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Express Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Liverpool Clone
Marshall 18 watt clone I built
Modded 70s Fender Champ (I put an slo preamp circuit in it)
Randall MTS RM100 head palomino
Randall MTS RM100 head black
Randall MTS RM20 head palomino
Randall MTS RM20 combo
Randall MTS RM50 head
Randall RT 2/50 power amp with RM4 preamp
over a dozen MTS modules for the randalls above
Fab Fox head (with street sign chassis, a harmony central piece of history!)
Peavey VTM 60 (modded by me)

And the Axe FX sounds great compared to any of the amps above. (uhm, especially the Fab.) But then again, I own this gear *and* I own an Axe FX... and I'm not talking out my ass about how it sucks before I play one in person. Plus I've even compared them with an A/B box to my 'real' tube amps.

I just don't see why some of you guys get so threatened - if you don't like something, that's great, more power to you. We all have our own tastes and such. But to say something is shit without even trying it out seems somewhat ignorant to me. The Axe FX isn't be all end all, but then again, I can't think of any tube amp that EVERYONE loved either. All I know is, I can choose any of the gear above for gigs, (I also have a ton of pedal effects, TC rack fx, 8 or so different guitar cabs) and the Axe is going with me every time I play out.

Pete

Did someone say it was "shit" having not played it? I've read some who havent played one say they have doubts and issues with the price etc. but Ive havent read anyone saying it was a piece of "shit" but then again I could have missed it.

 

[duodecim]

So step in if you have no interest in an axefx

*cough*

I'm just not too convinced about modelers yet. What is the point of anti-axefx'ing though? It's all progress. One day tubes will die, when the algorithms of the model becomes more real than the real thing (i.e. a perfect tube), the hardware can keep up with that complexity and people just can't distinguish the differences anymore. It's not that hard to compute natural phenomenons to such a granularity it fools people. Our senses are pretty limited, a good algorithmic model and powerful enough hardware is all that's needed.

The tube zealots will eventually grow (even) old(er) and die out.

But we're not there yet, in my opinion.

 

[duesentrieb]

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But we're not there yet, in my opinion.

Yo. And this will only happen if the companies will add ampbuilders - I mean the big guys - to their staff. Makes me wonder what the cooperation of Line6/Bogner will turn out to produce in a couple of years . . .
Imagine a modeller where you can select between gainstages, tonestack-parameters, voltage dividers, filtering, blah blah - now that would awesome - and the normal user would be lost

We'll see . . .

 

[ratter]

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But we're not there yet, in my opinion.

Yo. And this will only happen if the companies will add ampbuilders - I mean the big guys - to their staff. Makes me wonder what the cooperation of Line6/Bogner will turn out to produce in a couple of years . . .
Imagine a modeller where you can select between gainstages, tonestack-parameters, voltage dividers, filtering, blah blah - now that would awesome - and the normal user would be lost

We'll see . . .

You can do a lot of that in Revalver - you should check it out Olaf. Cap, resistor values, tube bias, power supply, nfb, etc.

 

[duesentrieb]

You can do a lot of that in Revalver - you should check it out Olaf. Cap, resistor values, tube bias, power supply, nfb, etc.

Really? Thats awesome. I'll give it a try Mike. Thanks.

 

[duesentrieb]

You can do a lot of that in Revalver - you should check it out Olaf. Cap, resistor values, tube bias, power supply, nfb, etc.

What would be really interesting is if Peavey decided to make a Pod like modeling box that uses the Revalver software with all those options.

A preamp would be better - maybe with a tube or two

 

[ejecta]

So step in if you have no interest in an axefx

*cough*

I'm just not too convinced about modelers yet. What is the point of anti-axefx'ing though? It's all progress. One day tubes will die, when the algorithms of the model becomes more real than the real thing (i.e. a perfect tube), the hardware can keep up with that complexity and people just can't distinguish the differences anymore. It's not that hard to compute natural phenomenons to such a granularity it fools people. Our senses are pretty limited, a good algorithmic model and powerful enough hardware is all that's needed.

The tube zealots will eventually grow (even) old(er) and die out.

But we're not there yet, in my opinion.

The software still cant still grab all that detail and feel. Add to that.... that the hardware isnt there yet to replicate it in real time you have close but not the same. So on that level I agree we arent there yet. Will that day come? Im sure it will and probably fast. At that time I think you wont be able to tell the difference

But I kinda dissagree that we we have limited senses. See I've worked in the CG industry for the last ten years where we were trying to animate characters that are life like as you can get. While we can get close, our brains still tell us somthing is just not right because we are really sensitve and very perceptive to the world around us. Watch the Final Fantasy movie or The Polar Express that used motion capture of real people, while they try and the computer gets close it still looks "not right".... thats due to the limitions of the hardware and software to capture very little nuance in real time that our brain does pick up.

 

[ratter]

You can do a lot of that in Revalver - you should check it out Olaf. Cap, resistor values, tube bias, power supply, nfb, etc.

Really? Thats awesome. I'll give it a try Mike. Thanks.

Yeah, download the demo and load it up in Logic. When you add an amp into the rack, there's a little "+" button on the right hand side of the amp face that goes into the advanced tweaking options.

 

[Digital Jams]

Looking around my gear room, here are the tube amps I see at first glance...

Bogner XTC 101B
Mesa Dual recto rackmount
SLO Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Express Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Liverpool Clone
Marshall 18 watt clone I built
Modded 70s Fender Champ (I put an slo preamp circuit in it)
Randall MTS RM100 head palomino
Randall MTS RM100 head black
Randall MTS RM20 head palomino
Randall MTS RM20 combo
Randall MTS RM50 head
Randall RT 2/50 power amp with RM4 preamp
over a dozen MTS modules for the randalls above
Fab Fox head (with street sign chassis, a harmony central piece of history!)
Peavey VTM 60 (modded by me)

And the Axe FX sounds great compared to any of the amps above. (uhm, especially the Fab.) But then again, I own this gear *and* I own an Axe FX... and I'm not talking out my ass about how it sucks before I play one in person. Plus I've even compared them with an A/B box to my 'real' tube amps.

I just don't see why some of you guys get so threatened - if you don't like something, that's great, more power to you. We all have our own tastes and such. But to say something is shit without even trying it out seems somewhat ignorant to me. The Axe FX isn't be all end all, but then again, I can't think of any tube amp that EVERYONE loved either. All I know is, I can choose any of the gear above for gigs, (I also have a ton of pedal effects, TC rack fx, 8 or so different guitar cabs) and the Axe is going with me every time I play out.

Pete

Did someone say it was "shit" having not played it? I've read some who havent played one say they have doubts and issues with the price etc. but Ive havent read anyone saying it was a piece of "shit" but then again I could have missed it.

Yes there are some "golden ear'd" formites that have used terms that one could deem as saying shit.............

 

[PeteLaramee]

What would be really interesting is if Peavey decided to make a Pod like modeling box that uses the Revalver software with all those options.

Kelly's Heroes?

 

[ejecta]

Looking around my gear room, here are the tube amps I see at first glance...

Bogner XTC 101B
Mesa Dual recto rackmount
SLO Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Express Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Liverpool Clone
Marshall 18 watt clone I built
Modded 70s Fender Champ (I put an slo preamp circuit in it)
Randall MTS RM100 head palomino
Randall MTS RM100 head black
Randall MTS RM20 head palomino
Randall MTS RM20 combo
Randall MTS RM50 head
Randall RT 2/50 power amp with RM4 preamp
over a dozen MTS modules for the randalls above
Fab Fox head (with street sign chassis, a harmony central piece of history!)
Peavey VTM 60 (modded by me)

And the Axe FX sounds great compared to any of the amps above. (uhm, especially the Fab.) But then again, I own this gear *and* I own an Axe FX... and I'm not talking out my ass about how it sucks before I play one in person. Plus I've even compared them with an A/B box to my 'real' tube amps.

I just don't see why some of you guys get so threatened - if you don't like something, that's great, more power to you. We all have our own tastes and such. But to say something is shit without even trying it out seems somewhat ignorant to me. The Axe FX isn't be all end all, but then again, I can't think of any tube amp that EVERYONE loved either. All I know is, I can choose any of the gear above for gigs, (I also have a ton of pedal effects, TC rack fx, 8 or so different guitar cabs) and the Axe is going with me every time I play out.

Pete

Did someone say it was "shit" having not played it? I've read some who havent played one say they have doubts and issues with the price etc. but Ive havent read anyone saying it was a piece of "shit" but then again I could have missed it.

Yes there are some "golden ear'd" formites that have used terms that one could deem as saying shit.............

Well I must have missed those. That aint cool though.

 

[mctallica1]

Axe Fx sux, all the bandwagoners are just jumping on the latest trend....get over it

 

[Gainfreak]

Axe Fx sux, all the bandwagoners are just jumping on the latest trend....get over it

WORD!!!

 

[saxxamafone]

I don’t get all the fuss

It’s just a piece of gear, people will like it, people won’t..

 

[stratotone]

Looking around my gear room, here are the tube amps I see at first glance...

Bogner XTC 101B
Mesa Dual recto rackmount
SLO Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Express Clone (in progress)
Trainwreck Liverpool Clone
Marshall 18 watt clone I built
Modded 70s Fender Champ (I put an slo preamp circuit in it)
Randall MTS RM100 head palomino
Randall MTS RM100 head black
Randall MTS RM20 head palomino
Randall MTS RM20 combo
Randall MTS RM50 head
Randall RT 2/50 power amp with RM4 preamp
over a dozen MTS modules for the randalls above
Fab Fox head (with street sign chassis, a harmony central piece of history!)
Peavey VTM 60 (modded by me)

And the Axe FX sounds great compared to any of the amps above. (uhm, especially the Fab.) But then again, I own this gear *and* I own an Axe FX... and I'm not talking out my ass about how it sucks before I play one in person. Plus I've even compared them with an A/B box to my 'real' tube amps.

I just don't see why some of you guys get so threatened - if you don't like something, that's great, more power to you. We all have our own tastes and such. But to say something is shit without even trying it out seems somewhat ignorant to me. The Axe FX isn't be all end all, but then again, I can't think of any tube amp that EVERYONE loved either. All I know is, I can choose any of the gear above for gigs, (I also have a ton of pedal effects, TC rack fx, 8 or so different guitar cabs) and the Axe is going with me every time I play out.

Pete

Did someone say it was "shit" having not played it? I've read some who havent played one say they have doubts and issues with the price etc. but Ive havent read anyone saying it was a piece of "shit" but then again I could have missed it.

The stuff I read about Axe-FX reminds me of all the guitar synthesizer stuff I was reading in the 80s...and then the Line6 modelling stuff in the 90s.
I appreciate folks embracing these types of new technologies....but not only will our amp rigs remain relatively unchanged....but those who bought into this stuff too deeply will be re-buying amps like the ones they sold to buy this sh*t.