Vito Bratta

[FUZZboat]

damn, if i was getting those tones with my old ada I never would have sold it

 

[buddaman71]

One of my favorite players. I can almost hack my way through a few of his songs. Awesome sense of melody. I never understood why he was always compared to Van Halen. I mean, other than the obvious use of tapping they are night and day players to me. Vito is much more melodic. His solos always sound like part of the song instead of a interjected part within the song. Just my .02. .

THANK YOU!!!
I get negged all the time by saying basically the same thing when I state I don't think he's an EVH clone at all. Maybe more so on the first kinda amateurish first album, but later recordings have solos that are extremely melodic mini-compositions within the tunes. He also had a more open tone and feel all around.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

love the tone and playing in the radar love cover

some say he was using an ada pre for that tone - sure doesn't sound like any ada I've ever heard

I used to use a ADA MP-1 for a couple of years and could dial in the Bratta tone pretty close using just that processor.

All of the Micheal Wagner albums..
Pride, Big Game and Main Attraction all he was using was an ADA preamp, Digitech 256xl for verb/delay and a Carvin Fet power amp through some old Marshall cabinets

 

[locoed]

I heard the same,sick of the biz,and last I heard he was taking care of his dad who is/was sick,not sure if he passed away or what.

 

[MisterBulbous]

One of my favorite players. I can almost hack my way through a few of his songs. Awesome sense of melody. I never understood why he was always compared to Van Halen. I mean, other than the obvious use of tapping they are night and day players to me. Vito is much more melodic. His solos always sound like part of the song instead of a interjected part within the song. Just my .02. .

THANK YOU!!!
I get negged all the time by saying basically the same thing when I state I don't think he's an EVH clone at all. Maybe more so on the first kinda amateurish first album, but later recordings have solos that are extremely melodic mini-compositions within the tunes. He also had a more open tone and feel all around.

I'm one of those who always thought he was the closest VH clone out there, and I mean that respectfully. I liked how he played a lot of his solos without rhythm guitar behind him (a'la VH), and I always thought he was a tremendous rhythm guitarist (also like VH), finally, he didn't bombast every song with over-the-top solos...he would play for the song and occasionally throw in a fast segment, also like VH. He also tried a few of the "swing" type songs like VH's I'm the One, where he really let it all out.

It's a shame he became so disinterested in music.

 

[JB6464]

love the tone and playing in the radar love cover

some say he was using an ada pre for that tone - sure doesn't sound like any ada I've ever heard

I used to use a ADA MP-1 for a couple of years and could dial in the Bratta tone pretty close using just that processor.

All of the Micheal Wagner albums..
Pride, Big Game and Main Attraction all he was using was an ADA preamp, Digitech 256xl for verb/delay and a Carvin Fet power amp through some old Marshall cabinets

The "Pride" album was recorded with two (1959) Marshall Superleads with master-volume mods added to them and a tube screamer.
He also used that seup on the 'Pride" tour .
After that album he switched to the ADA preamp setup.
You can clearly hear the fat juicey roaring mids in the Marshall tones and tube screamer compared to the chirpy ADA lead tones.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

love the tone and playing in the radar love cover

some say he was using an ada pre for that tone - sure doesn't sound like any ada I've ever heard

I used to use a ADA MP-1 for a couple of years and could dial in the Bratta tone pretty close using just that processor.

All of the Micheal Wagner albums..
Pride, Big Game and Main Attraction all he was using was an ADA preamp, Digitech 256xl for verb/delay and a Carvin Fet power amp through some old Marshall cabinets

The "Pride" album was recorded with two (1959) Marshall Superleads with master-volume mods added to them and a tube screamer.
He also used that seup on the 'Pride" tour .
After that album he switched to the ADA preamp setup.

According to Micheal Wagner

The setup for the guitar sound for the EXTREME sessions as well as the first SkidRow album and White Lion's "Pride" album (in most cases, not on all tracks) was a Furman PEQ-3 into an unmodified ADA MP-1 (version 1.0, still got it) going into a McIntosh transistor poweramps (2100) into an original Marshall cab with 4x G12H (30W). The mics were, if I remember it right: Fostex M11RP Ribbon, Countryman lavalier and possibly a SM57/58 going into John Hardy M-1s and from there via a mono buss into a UREI 530 EQ and a BBE 802 then to digital tape (Mitsubishi 32 tack)

Most of the sound came out of Nuno's hands, though.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... itars.html

 

[JB6464]

love the tone and playing in the radar love cover

some say he was using an ada pre for that tone - sure doesn't sound like any ada I've ever heard

I used to use a ADA MP-1 for a couple of years and could dial in the Bratta tone pretty close using just that processor.

All of the Micheal Wagner albums..
Pride, Big Game and Main Attraction all he was using was an ADA preamp, Digitech 256xl for verb/delay and a Carvin Fet power amp through some old Marshall cabinets

The "Pride" album was recorded with two (1959) Marshall Superleads with master-volume mods added to them and a tube screamer.
He also used that seup on the 'Pride" tour .
After that album he switched to the ADA preamp setup.

According to Micheal Wagner

The setup for the guitar sound for the EXTREME sessions as well as the first SkidRow album and White Lion's "Pride" album (in most cases, not on all tracks) was a Furman PEQ-3 into an unmodified ADA MP-1 (version 1.0, still got it) going into a McIntosh transistor poweramps (2100) into an original Marshall cab with 4x G12H (30W). The mics were, if I remember it right: Fostex M11RP Ribbon, Countryman lavalier and possibly a SM57/58 going into John Hardy M-1s and from there via a mono buss into a UREI 530 EQ and a BBE 802 then to digital tape (Mitsubishi 32 tack)

Most of the sound came out of Nuno's hands, though.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... itars.html

Maybe for the Extreme and Skid Row , but you got to be tone deaf if you can't hear the difference between the Marshall and ADA set live or in the studio. I was right there with him on stage at the Newport Music hall in Columbus,Ohio back in the early 90's when he was on tour with Ace Frehley and he flat out was using the Marshall's and tube screamer. And stated he used those exact amps in the studio with Micheal but was looking for a different setup for his next album .
And if i remember correctly, he bought those amps from Leslie west.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
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[threadkiller]

I have and still use in my main rig an unmodified ada mp-1. I can get close to his tone but I suspect a lot of the deficit is in my hands and not in the box. I have a feeling he's one of those guys who would sound good through a crate G-10.

 

[Mailman1971]

I have and still use in my main rig an unmodified ada mp-1. I can get close to his tone but I suspect a lot of the deficit is in my hands and not in the box. I have a feeling he's one of those guys who would sound good through a crate G-10.

Exactly....
I remember learning "WAIT" and doing some of the chord progressions with the ADA-MP1 it sounded pretty damn close to Vito's tone.
Man........wouldnt mind snagging another one.......

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Michael Wagener on Vito's guitar set-up..

It was my ADA-MP1 guitar pre (still got that one, Software version 1.0, the later version was less noisy but not as cool sounding). The poweramps were McIntosh 2100 transistor poweramps. Even though they were transistor, they have heavy duty output transformers (very important to the sound IMO) and the Condensers (Caps? whatever) in the powersupply are as big as coffee mugs, so lots of low end reserves for the PS. Fletcher has a couple of 2100 for sale, I think. I just sold mine for dirt cheap. The cab we used was rented from Andy Brauer. It was an original Marshall 4x12 with original 30W celestions, I loved that cab.

The funny thing is, that I used the same MP-1, with the same setting/preset, the same poweramps, the same cabinet and the same microphones for White Lion, Skid Row and Extreme and all three sound completely different. Maybe the player DOES have something to do with the sound, hmmm.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

 

[JB6464]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

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Quote from Micheal Wagner,
"I think the difference in sound is just based on the difference in my experience level at the time each album was recorded. Big Game was done closer to the time Pornograffitti was done. Also "Pride" was one of the earlier records I did at Amigo studios, still learning the room etc. and using only the pres in the stock MCI 500 desk. I started using my own pres around the time of Big game. Pride was recorded and mixed on my Tannoys (still for sale ) and later records were done on the little infinity 2001 speakers. Lots of factors coming together"

He's not saying anywhere that the ADA was used on "Pride" album. He talks about the different recording experiences and note that all the references your talking about happen after the Pride album was recorded. There's no doubt Vito used the ADA on the Big game album and after.

 

[IHateRap]

I pretty much wore out my copies of Pride and Big Game. I remember learning how to play all that stuff from the "Learn to Burn" instructional books/tapes by Curt Mitchell.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

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Quote from Micheal Wagner,
"I think the difference in sound is just based on the difference in my experience level at the time each album was recorded. Big Game was done closer to the time Pornograffitti was done. Also "Pride" was one of the earlier records I did at Amigo studios, still learning the room etc. and using only the pres in the stock MCI 500 desk. I started using my own pres around the time of Big game. Pride was recorded and mixed on my Tannoys (still for sale ) and later records were done on the little infinity 2001 speakers. Lots of factors coming together"

He's not saying anywhere that the ADA was used on "Pride" album. He talks about the different recording experiences and note that all the references your talking about happen after the Pride album was recorded. There's no doubt Vito used the ADA on the Big game album and after.

That first link the person is asking specifically about the Pride Album and that is his answer on Vito's set-up

 

[JB6464]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

Quote from Micheal Wagner,
"I think the difference in sound is just based on the difference in my experience level at the time each album was recorded. Big Game was done closer to the time Pornograffitti was done. Also "Pride" was one of the earlier records I did at Amigo studios, still learning the room etc. and using only the pres in the stock MCI 500 desk. I started using my own pres around the time of Big game. Pride was recorded and mixed on my Tannoys (still for sale ) and later records were done on the little infinity 2001 speakers. Lots of factors coming together"

He's not saying anywhere that the ADA was used on "Pride" album. He talks about the different recording experiences and note that all the references your talking about happen after the Pride album was recorded. There's no doubt Vito used the ADA on the Big game album and after.

That first link the person is asking specifically about the Pride Album and that is his answer on Vito's set-up

Quote from the first link:
"It was my ADA-MP1 guitar pre (still got that one, Software version 1.0, the later version was less noisy but not as cool sounding). The poweramps were McIntosh 2100 transistor poweramps. Even though they were transistor, they have heavy duty output transformers (very important to the sound IMO) and the Condensers (Caps? whatever) in the powersupply are as big as coffee mugs, so lots of low end reserves for the PS. Fletcher has a couple of 2100 for sale, I think. I just sold mine for dirt cheap. The cab we used was rented from Andy Brauer. It was an original Marshall 4x12 with original 30W celestions, I loved that cab."

"The funny thing is, that I used the same MP-1, with the same setting/preset, the same poweramps, the same cabinet and the same microphones for White Lion, Skid Row and Extreme and all three sound completely different. Maybe the player DOES have something to do with the sound, hmmm."

He talks about the ADA used for the three bands listed above but does'nt say he recorded the main tracks with the ADA at all.
And again he does'nt state a certain date/period of time when Vito actually started using the ADA preamp. But it's obvious he used it on the Big Game album.
And if you go back to some previous threads before this one, he states Vito used a GrooveTube preamp for the solo in song "Wait"'
Wow, that's not even close to a ADA tone if you tried.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

Quote from Micheal Wagner,
"I think the difference in sound is just based on the difference in my experience level at the time each album was recorded. Big Game was done closer to the time Pornograffitti was done. Also "Pride" was one of the earlier records I did at Amigo studios, still learning the room etc. and using only the pres in the stock MCI 500 desk. I started using my own pres around the time of Big game. Pride was recorded and mixed on my Tannoys (still for sale ) and later records were done on the little infinity 2001 speakers. Lots of factors coming together"

He's not saying anywhere that the ADA was used on "Pride" album. He talks about the different recording experiences and note that all the references your talking about happen after the Pride album was recorded. There's no doubt Vito used the ADA on the Big game album and after.

That first link the person is asking specifically about the Pride Album and that is his answer on Vito's set-up

Quote from the first link:
"It was my ADA-MP1 guitar pre (still got that one, Software version 1.0, the later version was less noisy but not as cool sounding). The poweramps were McIntosh 2100 transistor poweramps. Even though they were transistor, they have heavy duty output transformers (very important to the sound IMO) and the Condensers (Caps? whatever) in the powersupply are as big as coffee mugs, so lots of low end reserves for the PS. Fletcher has a couple of 2100 for sale, I think. I just sold mine for dirt cheap. The cab we used was rented from Andy Brauer. It was an original Marshall 4x12 with original 30W celestions, I loved that cab."

"The funny thing is, that I used the same MP-1, with the same setting/preset, the same poweramps, the same cabinet and the same microphones for White Lion, Skid Row and Extreme and all three sound completely different. Maybe the player DOES have something to do with the sound, hmmm."

He talks about the ADA used for the three bands listed above but does'nt say he recorded the main tracks with the ADA at all.
And again he does'nt state a certain date/period of time when Vito actually started using the ADA preamp. But it's obvious he used it on the Big Game album.
And if you back to some previous threads before this one he states Vito used a GrooveTube preamp for the solo in song "Wait"'
Wow, that's not even close to a ADA tone if you tried.

I still see no mention of a Marshall and tube screamer

 

[JB6464]

Tone deaf or not...

Here is another for you..
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end ... -lion.html

Quote from Micheal Wagner,
"I think the difference in sound is just based on the difference in my experience level at the time each album was recorded. Big Game was done closer to the time Pornograffitti was done. Also "Pride" was one of the earlier records I did at Amigo studios, still learning the room etc. and using only the pres in the stock MCI 500 desk. I started using my own pres around the time of Big game. Pride was recorded and mixed on my Tannoys (still for sale ) and later records were done on the little infinity 2001 speakers. Lots of factors coming together"

He's not saying anywhere that the ADA was used on "Pride" album. He talks about the different recording experiences and note that all the references your talking about happen after the Pride album was recorded. There's no doubt Vito used the ADA on the Big game album and after.

That first link the person is asking specifically about the Pride Album and that is his answer on Vito's set-up

Quote from the first link:
"It was my ADA-MP1 guitar pre (still got that one, Software version 1.0, the later version was less noisy but not as cool sounding). The poweramps were McIntosh 2100 transistor poweramps. Even though they were transistor, they have heavy duty output transformers (very important to the sound IMO) and the Condensers (Caps? whatever) in the powersupply are as big as coffee mugs, so lots of low end reserves for the PS. Fletcher has a couple of 2100 for sale, I think. I just sold mine for dirt cheap. The cab we used was rented from Andy Brauer. It was an original Marshall 4x12 with original 30W celestions, I loved that cab."

"The funny thing is, that I used the same MP-1, with the same setting/preset, the same poweramps, the same cabinet and the same microphones for White Lion, Skid Row and Extreme and all three sound completely different. Maybe the player DOES have something to do with the sound, hmmm."

He talks about the ADA used for the three bands listed above but does'nt say he recorded the main tracks with the ADA at all.
And again he does'nt state a certain date/period of time when Vito actually started using the ADA preamp. But it's obvious he used it on the Big Game album.
And if you back to some previous threads before this one he states Vito used a GrooveTube preamp for the solo in song "Wait"'
Wow, that's not even close to a ADA tone if you tried.

I still see no mention of a Marshall and tube screamer

As well as the ADA on "Pride" for his main tracks.
I can only back up what i seen live on stage and what Vito said when it all really happened. Not from somebody's memory.
And that was after the "Pride" album was recorded and they toured their ass off still using Marshall's.
If he switched to the ADA on the "Pride" album,why would he still tour with all that Marshall gear?
The ADA setup was simple and easy to use.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

As well as the ADA on "Pride" for his main tracks.
I can only back up what i seen live on stage and what Vito said when it all really happened. Not froms somebody's memory.

But no mention at all about a Marshall and a tube screamer being used anywhere but the ADA is mentioned... At the time it seems that was Wagener's thing with guitars on albums...


I was always under the impression he only used the Marshall and tube screamer for recording Fight To Survive..
After that his tone kinda went generic... even though his playing was phenomenal...

Regardless of when he used it with all of the gear people used and use these days it cracks me up he went on playing all of his stuff with a ADA Preamp, digitech 256xl and carvin power amp...
And still pulled it off...

I never been an ADA Fan, i could never get one to work.. so I am still scratching my head at some of the recordings done with it..

 

[JB6464]

As well as the ADA on "Pride" for his main tracks.
I can only back up what i seen live on stage and what Vito said when it all really happened. Not froms somebody's memory.

But no mention at all about a Marshall and a tube screamer being used anywhere but the ADA is mentioned... At the time it seems that was Wagener's thing with guitars on albums...


I was always under the impression he only used the Marshall and tube screamer for recording Fight To Survive..
After that his tone kinda went generic... even though his playing was phenomenal...

Regardless of when he used it with all of the gear people used and use these days it cracks me up he went on playing all of his stuff with a ADA Preamp, digitech 256xl and carvin power amp...
And still pulled it off...

I never been an ADA Fan, i could never get one to work.. so I am still scratching my head at some of the recordings done with it..

He was a great player/songwriter and i think no matter what he used he was original and tasteful.
It does crack me up when people nowdays spend all this big money on boutique gear and still don't sound any better. Sometimes the simplist approach works best.
And for what it's worth, i use Carvin X100B amps and Marshall 2203 amps and can get pretty close to his tones.
Now the chops, that's another question.