Exo-metal
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The Clock strikes again
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I think this nickname is going to stickThe Clock strikes again
japetus
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I think deep down The Kid is a good guy, but he has yet to learn to stop talking about things he doesn't understand and then doubling down on it.
MadAsAHatter
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I had that mindset for a time, but I was also looking at things a couple of wrong ways.
1. I'm one who likes to go guitar->amp->cab so coming from that POV I though of boosts as trying to force an amp to do something it wasn't designed to do. Like if you want high gain get a high gain amp. Don't try to force a vintage gain amp into that territory.
2. Seeing/hearing way too many people go at it like that Tone Wars guy; max out the gain on an already high amp gain and boost on top to make a massive fizzy mess. That made it come off as putting a boost in front just turns everything to ass.
3. In the same vein of too much gain I saw too many people trying to hide their slop playing behind a boost. They'd use it as a substitute for tighter playing style. That made me think of using a boost more as a crutch than a tool.
Not that I shit on people for using a boost, just from my personal perspective at that time I was looking at it incorrectly.
It's been a while, but at some point back I revisited boosting an amp. I remember watching a couple of youtube videos (I forget who it was though) talking about "proper" uses of a boots that made me rethink my viewpoint. I changed to look at it as a way to enhance rather than substitute or force. After taking the time to understand the interaction between a boost and an amp I understood how to use it properly. Balancing the amp's gain with a particular boost can yield something just right without losing the character of the amp itself or forcing it into something it wasn't meant to do.
This all doesn't mean I throw a boost in front of everything now. It means I have a much better understanding to know when using a boost is & is not appropriate.
100% agree. As I said in point 3 above I've seen too many people use a boost to try to tighten their playing instead of enhance the amp; and they still sound like ass. It just ends up being more gain on top of slop. A boost isn't going to cover your sloppy playing.
MadAsAHatter
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If he didn't talk about and double down things he doesn't understand he'd turn into a mute.
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Not just The~Clock but there are a lot of guys that throw their 2 cents into every thread about an amp that never get the master past 9 oclock. If it is a thread about how an amp sounds at low volume, that is fine. But to debate an amp when you haven't let the power section breath, you are so severely limited in your knowledge of an amp that I actually believe you have zero qualifications to insert your opinion.
Half the problem is that you have a lot of metal guys that are told that it is all in the preamp, and the power amp makes it oversaturated. That is trueish in some cases. But in a lot of modern amps, the powersection does not make it less tight, it just opens up the amp to where you are getting the actual power in your punch. If you completely crank your amp, you can get too much saturation, but it needs to be halfway on the master on a lot of amps for you to actually know what an amp really is
Half the problem is that you have a lot of metal guys that are told that it is all in the preamp, and the power amp makes it oversaturated. That is trueish in some cases. But in a lot of modern amps, the powersection does not make it less tight, it just opens up the amp to where you are getting the actual power in your punch. If you completely crank your amp, you can get too much saturation, but it needs to be halfway on the master on a lot of amps for you to actually know what an amp really is
Exo-metal
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Let's pray THAT never happens
The~Kid
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I don't know I'll put a Twin at 8...... No problem
MadAsAHatter
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Yeah, some amps you just have to open up the volume to get the full feel of it. I understand people have families or live in an apartment where that's just not possible. At the same time if that's your perspective you need to understand you're not getting the full picture. I'm lucky enough to not have to worry much about neighbors being disturbed or pissing off my wife. I can get my amps to a volume where they can breathe. Roughly 90 dB from 4-5 ft away (basically just below where I would need earplugs) is the base volume I play at.
The~Kid
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Yeah again I'm not afraid to push an amp and Will Even push a Twin or even a Bassman to full blast...... And those fuckers get loud......
And yeah opening an amp up is the Best way to SEE and Hear what it has to offer. This is just Elementary.
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I don't know you'll put a Twin at 8 also. Maybe throw some punctuation in there every once in awhile to clarify what you are trying to say. It's called English.I don't know I'll put a Twin at 8...... No problem
Let me show you several ways to write that to portray your meaning. The first two are correct, but the next one will indicate the same thing.
I don't know. I'll put a Twin at 8 no problem.
I don't know; I'll put a Twin at 8 no problem.
I don't know....I'll put a Twin at 8 no problem.
Now This indicates you don't know if you put the master at 8
I don't know I'll put a Twin at 8
Your opinions are already suspect, but your lack of grammatical proficiency is another mark against your opinion relevance. A simple way for you to begin would be to speak out loud what you are writing. If there is a pause in the speech, that probably indicates a comma or period. I know that you know what a period is, even if you aren't sure how to use it correctly, but this is a comma: ,
Exo-metal
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Just like your posts, please continue
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The~Kid
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We got a Harvard Genius over here guys
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It may seem that I am coming out of left field with this The~Clock bashing. However, yesterday morning I was looking at threads and ran accross this beauty where The~Dipshit goes into full Clock mode and displays his spam ignorance on repeat while displaying no understanding of the difference between solid state and tube technology and arguing his vastly incorrect knowledge to the death with many including Lisa (NowYou'rePlayingWithPower), who he continues to claim was like a big sis to him.
The thing is, it would be easier to ignore him if I didn't have so many people somehow defending his constant thread spamming.
The thing is, it would be easier to ignore him if I didn't have so many people somehow defending his constant thread spamming.
Exo-metal
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You must have taken your "time" crafting thisWe got a Harvard Genius over here guys
Simon Dorn
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Well, that's the thing. You just can't get a better amp. Only different ones.
The~Kid
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Yeah yeah.....It may seem that I am coming out of left field with this The~Clock bashing. However, yesterday morning I was looking at threads and ran accross this beauty where The~Dipshit goes into full Clock mode and displays his spam ignorance on repeat while displaying no understanding of the difference between solid state and tube technology and arguing his vastly incorrect knowledge to the death with many including Lisa (NowYou'rePlayingWithPower), who he continues to claim was like a big sis to him.
The thing is, it would be easier to ignore him if I didn't have so many people somehow defending his constant thread spamming.
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This is an important point. You have far too many people that are anti boost or all boost. For me, it is a case by case basis. I have amps that are great without one. If the boost makes it better, I am all about it. But if the boost doesn't improve the tone...fuck that shit.
With my MGL, the boost doesn't improve the tone. But there are certain times that I want to enhance one particular thing for a specific song I am playing, and I will use one. But the vast majority of the time, if I can play at volume, a boost just pisses me off because the amp loses the organic character.
There are, however, a ton of amps that are complete trash and then you boost them and get God sound.
