Dar amps ? Can anyone reach them ?

[rlord1974]

I'm just wondering when someone is finally going to blow a gasket and someone gets hurt. This happens frequently enough that it would seem to just be a matter of time since there is generally little if any recourse available to the buyers ("investors") that prepaid or made deposits.

Let's hope it never comes to this......

 

[Bob Savage]

Let's hope it never comes to this......

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I agree although I'm surprised it hasn't already.

A hotrod shop pulled some garbage on a family member by taking his money to do some custom work and also had one of his cars. After many months of getting jerked around fortunatlely nobody got hurt (though it could have happened), but let's just say my uncle showed up at the shop, got his car back and that business is no longer around.

I'm not advocating people resort to violence or any other extreme measures to be made whole, but there are absolutely people out there who will not put up with these type of business practices.

 

[steve_k]

Age old financial scheme = OPM (other people's money). As long as people are ignorant enough to give it, or oblivious to company intentions - there will be people there to take it. I haven't been immune to it either. But, I learned my lesson. There's a few I would trust, but not many.

 

[Bob Savage]

Age old financial scheme = OPM (other people's money). As long as people are ignorant enough to give it, or oblivious to company intentions - there will be people there to take it. I haven't been immune to it either. But, I learned my lesson. There's a few I would trust, but not many.

OPM is actually a legitimate mechanism for startups but the people/orgs giving that money are supposed to know exactly what they're getting into and there's generally additional compensation to those people whether it be interest on a loan, shares, etc.

OPM in the case where manufacturing the current batch of widgets using deposits/payments obtained for the next batch of widgets is not legitimate.

 

[MOAAH]

Well to no avail. I cannot reach mike by Facebook email text or telephone. My wife n I were blocked from there Facebook. I have a Dar forza n 4x12 paid for waiting to come home. My head went make for a midi repair n some updates. It was supposed to ship out months ago. I am at a 4800$ Loss. I am not rich I busted my ass for that money. Josh sage hooked me up w Dar amps. And josh is out of business as well! What is my next step. This is rude n uncalled for. The gear was paid for. Chris

Bro - you need to send a registered/certified letter to their business address in Palo Alto, receipt required by the addressee. Just a short note to say that due to the non-fulfillment of your <work to be done or gear supplied>, the date the order was placed and money sent, and by what means the money was sent and that you hereby request your money refunded immediately by whichever means you prefer.

Leave no other outs or anything else. This makes things more official if it does go legal. They can always say they didn't get an email or remember a phone call. A registered letter through the PO, is undisputed.

Steve

i also just might have to give that a try, thanks

Well you should right away, it is the first legal step if you wanna do it right. Plus unlike any suggestion I've seen above, it won't cost you a pile of cash.
As for going in and taking whatever you feel is worth your time:
A, If he's really fucking you and others over he's prolly outta the country and his office is closed.
B, never do this yourself, get your big brother or someone to do it for you, preferrably someone with experience.
C, don't talk about it on line, there is no legal justification for such action.

 

[mindseye]

This is such bullshit that these asshat's can get away with this with little to no consequence.

I feel for you guys!!

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Some of these operations seem to use deposits as their startup capital.

"Some" seems like a huge understatement to me.

Was trying to be polite didn't want to incite a mob of small builders.

 

[gtr31]

It's not fair to paint all with the same brush. It's really unfortunate that these guys ruin the name of small builders.

There are a few guys Like Dave @ Baron that offer amazing customer service and never once do you feel you are out money nor do you ever have to chase them.

I understand the deposit as its custom work and the parts have to be purchased unlike Bogner, Mesa who build and just send to dealers.

Dar.Cameron are obviously out for themselves do not give a crap about others or customer service. They don't care about bad reviews and postings all over the net .That's a problem.

A good business man will at all costs try to stop negative posts ..These guys reply on message boards yelling at customers .like they have been inconvenienced.
When someone's rep and name means that little to them its hard to really to get positive outcome. without using legal means.

 

[benduncan]

is it just me and cujo or are there any other dar customers in here?

 

[rlord1974]

It's not fair to paint all with the same brush. It's really unfortunate that these guys ruin the name of small builders.

There are a few guys Like Dave @ Baron that offer amazing customer service and never once do you feel you are out money nor do you ever have to chase them.

I understand the deposit as its custom work and the parts have to be purchased unlike Bogner, Mesa who build and just send to dealers.

Dar.Cameron are obviously out for themselves do not give a crap about others or customer service. They don't care about bad reviews and postings all over the net .That's a problem.

A good business man will at all costs try to stop negative posts ..These guys reply on message boards yelling at customers .like they have been inconvenienced.
When someone's rep and name means that little to them its hard to really to get positive outcome. without using legal means.

I agree with most of the above, with the exception of your "dangerous" Cameron reference.

Mark Cameron? Yes, your comment applies.

The new Cameron company? No, different circumstances.

Although Brad and Co. took deposits up front for the 2nd run CCVs, I don't believe they are being used to finance anything other than the amps that will be built. The delay on the 2nd run relates to the development of the new PCB design. I have no reason to believe that they are using these deposits to finance the R&D around the new PCB. The issue is, they simply can't use these deposits for their intended purpose until the PCB is finalized and the amps can actually be built.

 

[SoulIncision]

I am another DAR customer, I share Cujo's feelings on this situation. Fortunately I did not invest quite as much money as he did...but I'm still out cash.

 

[cujo]

Maybe we need a joint civil suit. Pull all together n get what is rightfully ours.

 

[LoopQuantum]

is it just me and cujo or are there any other dar customers in here?

See my post above, and Soulincision's post.

We're bandmates, BTW.

 

[gtr31]

Maybe we need a joint civil suit. Pull all together n get what is rightfully ours.

A Class action lawsuit for Breach of contract with multiple parties would probably help .I think
Strength in numbers ..
The only problem is he could declare bankruptcy if he has not already, that may be a problem

 

[gtr31]

It's not fair to paint all with the same brush. It's really unfortunate that these guys ruin the name of small builders.

There are a few guys Like Dave @ Baron that offer amazing customer service and never once do you feel you are out money nor do you ever have to chase them.

I understand the deposit as its custom work and the parts have to be purchased unlike Bogner, Mesa who build and just send to dealers.

Dar.Cameron are obviously out for themselves do not give a crap about others or customer service. They don't care about bad reviews and postings all over the net .That's a problem.

A good business man will at all costs try to stop negative posts ..These guys reply on message boards yelling at customers .like they have been inconvenienced.
When someone's rep and name means that little to them its hard to really to get positive outcome. without using legal means.

I agree with most of the above, with the exception of your "dangerous" Cameron reference.

Mark Cameron? Yes, your comment applies.

The new Cameron company? No, different circumstances.

Although Brad and Co. took deposits up front for the 2nd run CCVs, I don't believe they are being used to finance anything other than the amps that will be built. The delay on the 2nd run relates to the development of the new PCB design. I have no reason to believe that they are using these deposits to finance the R&D around the new PCB. The issue is, they simply can't use these deposits for their intended purpose until the PCB is finalized and the amps can actually be built.

100% .I would not hesitate to do business with Brad, and have done business with Tone merchants,

So yes I should have added since Mark Cameron has been removed from the equation .Cameron amps are of no concern and would be a safe purchase.

 

[MOAAH]

A hotrod shop pulled some garbage on a family member by taking his money to do some custom work and also had one of his cars. After many months of getting jerked around fortunatlely nobody got hurt (though it could have happened), but let's just say my uncle showed up at the shop, got his car back and that business is no longer around.

Your family member is lucky he had an uncle, folks I know that do that kinda shit on a daily basis ask for a 50% recovery fee.

 

[Bob Savage]

Your family member is lucky he had an uncle, folks I know that do that kinda shit on a daily basis ask for a 50% recovery fee.

I actually meant to strip out uncle altogether but missed that second one. it was my uncle that was having the work done and who also went to collect, so to speak.

 

[tjon]

I think its crazy when I see people putting money down on things like this so quickly. A couple of youtube videos and their wallets are wide open. I guess its cool to be the first guy on the forum with something, even though they all usually end up in the classifieds 6 months later.

 

[MOAAH]

so to speak.

Well if you like I'll go back and delete any reference to you know who!?!

 

[cujo]

I initially got my amp very quick. Had the forza a year n sent it back for a midi fix n mods. Never to return. So Dar wasn't fkd from the get go. It just turned to shit lately.