Floyd Eye
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Peavey’s making their shit in China now too ?
Probably better now. And I say this as a guy who fucking hates Chinese shit.
Probably better now. And I say this as a guy who fucking hates Chinese shit.
Made In The USA/MIA Label...... Look for the Label....... it matters ^_^
The~Kid
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Right on me personally have never really found any Chinese pedal that actually sounds like their US/Japanese counterparts......
Not TS pedals or delays or chorus or anything...... Mooer stuff is especially bad in that sense especially the Klones or Chinese RAT type pedals.
The only Chinese pedals worth a damn I guess IMO are the ones that use NexGen modeling or that use modeling like a Helix or the TC Electronic stuff.......
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The~Kid
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Idk honestly the 6505 (5150) Combos or the heads aren't as good as they used to be when they were MIA nvm the Peavey Classic 30 and other stuff too IMO even the SS amps were nicer when they were MIA compared to the stuff now
I mean they are good still but yeah not what they used to be......
Given an option I'd take an MIA version vs an MIC version all day every day in regards to any Peavey amp Tube or Solid State.
The~Kid
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I think EHX pedals are made in China....... those aren't bad..... MXR makes some of their pedals in Taiwan aside from in the USA.......
Alot of them sound great for the money....... BBE same thing so not everything is complete horses ass and that stuff is pretty decent but when you start getting to the Nux, Mooer, Joyo stuff........ it's not all that great IMO and the MIJ/MIA stuff is that much better and offers real quality and value too IMO.
Celestions also made in China and pretty damn good and same with Shuguangs.
With PSUs too Truetone makes a pretty good switching unit and it's Made in China but I'm more partial to CIOKS or Voodoo Labs...... so I mean it's not all bad I guess but YMMV and IMO the MIA/Made in the USA or MIJ or European stuff still brings a higher quality and value over alot of MIC stuff in general IME.
But for as good as the Celestions made in China there is still a charm about the MIE/Made in England ones....... and well honestly never played Chinese made speaker as good relative to that "American" sound that ironically comes from a Made in Italy Jenson....... never played any Chinese pickups as good as any MIA/Made In USA stuff like Seymour Duncans/Dimarzio/EMGs/Shecter USA/Gibson USA/Lace Sensor etc etc
Never played any Chinese amp close to a Fender Princeton Reverb MIA or a Friedman BE50........... or a Bad Cat Lynx 50 or a Vintage Modern Marshall or a 5150/6505+ MIA........ honestly made in China Vox amps are pretty damn good I must say since all of it is done in house in their facility but even then...... Same goes for MIM Fender Tube Amps even the 68 Customs as good as they are just aren't as good as an MIA/Made in the USA 65 Reissue counterpart IMO.
Alot of them sound great for the money....... BBE same thing so not everything is complete horses ass and that stuff is pretty decent but when you start getting to the Nux, Mooer, Joyo stuff........ it's not all that great IMO and the MIJ/MIA stuff is that much better and offers real quality and value too IMO.
Celestions also made in China and pretty damn good and same with Shuguangs.
With PSUs too Truetone makes a pretty good switching unit and it's Made in China but I'm more partial to CIOKS or Voodoo Labs...... so I mean it's not all bad I guess but YMMV and IMO the MIA/Made in the USA or MIJ or European stuff still brings a higher quality and value over alot of MIC stuff in general IME.
But for as good as the Celestions made in China there is still a charm about the MIE/Made in England ones....... and well honestly never played Chinese made speaker as good relative to that "American" sound that ironically comes from a Made in Italy Jenson....... never played any Chinese pickups as good as any MIA/Made In USA stuff like Seymour Duncans/Dimarzio/EMGs/Shecter USA/Gibson USA/Lace Sensor etc etc
Never played any Chinese amp close to a Fender Princeton Reverb MIA or a Friedman BE50........... or a Bad Cat Lynx 50 or a Vintage Modern Marshall or a 5150/6505+ MIA........ honestly made in China Vox amps are pretty damn good I must say since all of it is done in house in their facility but even then...... Same goes for MIM Fender Tube Amps even the 68 Customs as good as they are just aren't as good as an MIA/Made in the USA 65 Reissue counterpart IMO.
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The~Kid
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Will say the Fender 68 Customs are pretty damn good for being MIM, many use birch ply and USA Schumacher transformers too........
And I think most use a real tube driven spring Reverb like the Princeton, Deluxe and Twin versions or the Vibrolux version and they use CTS pots too and have throug hole components on a board. They are also set up to break up earlier and feature British style Celestion speakers and the vibrato/trem on these is a bit more pronounced too and some have Bassman tones tacks on the Custom/Clean side and both channels share Reverb and Vib/Trem I believe if not Vib/Trem them the Verb for sure.......
The 68s are also a lot nicer than actual SilverFace MIA vintage Amps IMO...... Great value overall and amazing amps and would say better than any Chinese amps too........
Pretty much like the MIA ones but made in Mexico but still as lush as they are none of the reverbs are close to the MIA counterparts being made now in the 65s.
And I think most use a real tube driven spring Reverb like the Princeton, Deluxe and Twin versions or the Vibrolux version and they use CTS pots too and have throug hole components on a board. They are also set up to break up earlier and feature British style Celestion speakers and the vibrato/trem on these is a bit more pronounced too and some have Bassman tones tacks on the Custom/Clean side and both channels share Reverb and Vib/Trem I believe if not Vib/Trem them the Verb for sure.......
The 68s are also a lot nicer than actual SilverFace MIA vintage Amps IMO...... Great value overall and amazing amps and would say better than any Chinese amps too........
Pretty much like the MIA ones but made in Mexico but still as lush as they are none of the reverbs are close to the MIA counterparts being made now in the 65s.
BeZo
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I have had to fix solder joints on 2 of the newer EHX pedals so far. I did a Bassballs Nano and a Freeze. That's like 50% for me.
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VonBonfire
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The build quality is lower and the prices on new Twins is almost like a sick joke. The cab is probably better than some of the mid 70's cabs which had glued in baffles. Even the late 60's ones had chipboard baffles which don't stand the test of the time but the rest of the cab, and the build quality, is a lot better than any new PCB Fender RI. For $1900 bucks I can buy two original SF's or one 68 custom. And as soon as you throw it in your car, it's used and barely commands the same kind of cash a classic SF.
The~Kid
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I don't know the cabs on the new ones aren't bad and baltic birch cabs......... and IME compared to most vintage SF amps the new ones MIM are just nicer too in general but YMMV.
Through hole components too....... yeah not point to point and PCB but overall not bad with Schumachers too. You also have cool stuff like the Bassman tone stack and sharable Reverb on all channels..... overall super consistent too
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VonBonfire
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Even if you prefer them you're taking a pretty big hit selling used considering the pricing on new Fender RI's. Would be a tough break if you decide you wanted something different. You're looking at like $750-850 used for a BF RI in a local sale, and they sit for months and months, like pretty much all Twins do, lol. And compete against vintage SF stuff because those are the same price. Granted, you'll probably have to dump a few hundred into the average SF getting it gig worthy, but they aren't going down in value anymore as they are pretty much bottomed out now. I scored a '72 SF in a mojotone cab in '18 for $500 down in San Antonio....I don't know the cabs on the new ones aren't bad and baltic birch cabs......... and IME compared to most vintage SF amps the new ones MIM are just nicer too in general but YMMV.
Through hole components too....... yeah not point to point and PCB but overall not bad with Schumachers too. You also have cool stuff like the Bassman tone stack and sharable Reverb on all channels..... overall super consistent too
The~Kid
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I mean your right but from a players perspective the new ones aren't half bad even if say the vintage ones are better........
Tube Driven verb and Vib too....
Hell at a deal like 500$ a vintage one would be hard to snub but IME alot of the older ones weren't as consistent as the modern ones even after work or with good care.
But I mean yeah Twins never hold resale value regardless as much as Princetons for some reason because they are huge as hell and hardly anyone needs so much power anymore but even so the Twins are great because they are still the kings of clean headroom and that verb is killer too.
Verb on all the models is different ImE too. Super Reverbs tend to hold more value though of the bigger amps and for good reason.
But overall putting aside resale value the MIM ones aren't so bad and kind of almost as good as the MIA current production ones IMO. A lot better than expected for an MIM amp.
The Hot Rod Deluxe and Blues Reissues are definitely not as good but still a good value especially on a used one and older MIM/MIA one with birch ply cab vs the newer ones with MDF. Like a cheap Bassman with an FX loop and Reverb, can't complain there.
I'd say the MIM ones made now are better than the vintage ones and the MIA ones made now are even better too than some vintage counterparts one could argue due to tighter QC and consistency vs the vintage ones and IME it kind of comes down to that...... especially as the vintage stuff has gotten so worn out by now too and if you replace parts stuff made now ain't the same as back then and your departing further from the original tone of the amp...... Tolerances for components were a lot lower back then and if you think about it if you got a really good amp chances are it was by luck and a lot more amps had to be worked on than not to get them just right.
In general with a lot of the vintage stuff too since there wasn't as much consistency back then compared to now the quality of the amps varied from amp to amp and it's just like a crapshoot too sometimes. The resale value may not be there with the new stuff yes but the quality is there and that is all the value I'm after.
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VonBonfire
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I have a 69 and a 72 and had both of them blackfaced. Other than speakers and tubes, until my tech changed input cap values on the 69 you couldn't tell them apart sonically. I doubt I would be able to tell them apart from an RI in a live setting. They are a pretty consistent amp which is probably why they are still a backline favorite. I know Kingfish has a bone stock RI as part of his rig to some extent.
If anything the part I like least about the standard RI Twin is the Jensen speakers. They don't stand up to volume very well. As for the reverb, I remove the tanks out of mine to save weight cause I never use them live. I know there is a way to mod the circuit but stock it's either way too wet or pretty much off. I got spoiled owning one of the RI standalone tanks with the mix and dwell controls. Now that is a pretty amazing unit but like I said, kinda spoils you on pretty much every other 'verb out there.
Fiesta Red
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I really like their food
napalmdeath
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Seems to be working pretty good for him. I'm surprised the keyboard isn't worn out.
rsm
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Made in USA:
A few EBMM guitars; a couple Fender Super Twin amps; a Gibson SG; a couple of Rickenbackers; a Gittler Titanium; Mesa JP-2C and 2x12 compact cab; Bogner Helios Eclipse.
I had a '62 Hammond A-102 and matching Leslie 142 until last year.
A few EBMM guitars; a couple Fender Super Twin amps; a Gibson SG; a couple of Rickenbackers; a Gittler Titanium; Mesa JP-2C and 2x12 compact cab; Bogner Helios Eclipse.
I had a '62 Hammond A-102 and matching Leslie 142 until last year.
headlessdeadguy
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I believe @psychodave had a thread about these. Pretty sure they were exactly like the real deal. I could be wrong tho
The~Kid
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Yeah the Jenson Ceramics aren't too good I must admit and I always hated Jensons because of that but the Alnicos are a different story and kind of main reason I think the Princeton Reverb 112 I got won me over. Comes with a P12Q and it's not half bad and they make them in Italy still.
And the Twin RI is great but the only thing I would do is change those speakers to high powered Alnicos or Celestions MIE/MIC or the better Jensons in general but yeah part of the reason the Super Reverbs hold their value better cause they come with Jenson Alnicos.
Jenson Alnicos sound great for sure in a Fender IMO and Celestions arent bad either. But yeah the low end Eminence or Jenson ceramics aren't all that great in there IME.
Monkey Man
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OK I'm thinking maybe you were just listing ones you own that're MIA. 
BABMusic
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Gonna half to agree to disagree @The~Kid a little bit. I have three Strat-clones that were made in Japan, and the quality is as good or better than my American Strats. However, if I'm going to buy anything Fender, it's going to be made in USA or Japan. Both my two amps were made in USA (Friedman and Mesa). I also have a lot of leather shoes that are almost all made in USA.
rsm
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true; I listed the MIA gear that I own...