Not much high end stuff moving in classifieds these days...

[War Admiral]

A lot of people don't realize that music gear is a lot like cars...drive them off the lot and they are automatically devalued. People always "want what they paid for it", but it is a stupid and unrealistic thing.

EXACTLY.

looks like you guys would get along good Give me a fucking break...so the guy buying it for $3500 would only be able to flip it for 70% of that??? When does it stop?? Stupid

You don't read very well do you. Again, how much is the guitar new? How much did you buy it for?

I read just fine buddy...your the one misinformed.

Actually I'm not. And it's "you're," "buddy."

Look at what used R9s are actually selling for on ebay and reverb. That should always be a reasonable starting point for what you list it for. The only 50th anny one recently went for... wait for it... $3400. You paid *way* too much used and now you're going to take a loss unless you wanna wait a really long only to not sell it. But definitely $34-3600 is what a used R9 is gonna go for right now, you're free to sit there for months and not sell it though.

This is actually fairly accurate. I see people listing their used R9's for $4K+ all day long, but NONE of them are selling for that. I might even say that you could get between $3500-3800 if you really want to move one, but you'd probably have to wait a little while even at those prices. What it boils down too, is that no one should ever buy a new Gibson Historic of any kind if they plan to move it within in a couple of years or so and expect not to take much of a loss. The prices they sell for new are complete ass-rape.....especially the "True" Historics....taking ass-rape to another level. There are far less people looking to spend $3K+ on a guitar nowadays, much less $4K+.

This I agree with...thats the way it is right now. Better off keeping it right now.

 

[zuel69]

Guitars like this have also gone for way more the War Admiral is asking..always some price buster fucking things up.

A lot of people don't realize that music gear is a lot like cars...drive them off the lot and they are automatically devalued. People always "want what they paid for it", but it is a stupid and unrealistic thing.

EXACTLY.

looks like you guys would get along good Give me a fucking break...so the guy buying it for $3500 would only be able to flip it for 70% of that??? When does it stop?? Stupid

You don't read very well do you. Again, how much is the guitar new? How much did you buy it for?

I read just fine buddy...your the one misinformed.

Actually I'm not. And it's "you're," "buddy."

Look at what used R9s are actually selling for on ebay and reverb. That should always be a reasonable starting point for what you list it for. The only 50th anny one recently went for... wait for it... $3400. You paid *way* too much used and now you're going to take a loss unless you wanna wait a really long only to not sell it. But definitely $34-3600 is what a used R9 is gonna go for right now, you're free to sit there for months and not sell it though.

This is actually fairly accurate. I see people listing their used R9's for $4K+ all day long, but NONE of them are selling for that. I might even say that you could get between $3500-3800 if you really want to move one, but you'd probably have to wait a little while even at those prices. What it boils down too, is that no one should ever buy a new Gibson Historic of any kind if they plan to move it within in a couple of years or so and expect not to take much of a loss. The prices they sell for new are complete ass-rape.....especially the "True" Historics....taking ass-rape to another level. There are far less people looking to spend $3K+ on a guitar nowadays, much less $4K+.

 

[War Admiral]

We can argue about this all day long...the fact is the market sucks right now and its hard to move expensive gear. It is what it is Again...better off keeping it.

 

[supersonic]

The market is over saturated IMO, simple as that.

 

[Smac77]

Allot more people can buy cheap stuff so it moves easy, expensive items require patience. Today people are just more cautious with money

As for offers.... Everyone wants the expensive stuff, including the cheaper buyers so they offer and hope to get a steal on something otherwise out of their range. No big deal, thanks for the offer.... better than no offer i guess ? I offer what i afford, if i see what I feel is a bargin already, i don't even negotiate.

 

[Racerxrated]

[snip] People piss me off. Why watch? If you want something, be realistic, and buy the damn thing?? I don't play games. If I want something, I find a reasonable price, and I pull the trigger. No games, I don't play around!

The market totally sucks for sellers right now, and being someone who sells about as much as he buys... it depresses me. But c'mon... you can bitch about super low-ballers (cause I hate 'em too), but bitching about people who WATCH your auctions/sales? Seriously? I watch all kinds of shit that I never buy. Does that make me an asshole? A lot of times it's just to remind me of the things on my long/short list, but that I'm not currently able to pay for. It's not intended to jack the seller around, hurt their feelings, or get their hopes up. Some of you guys take this stuff a bit too seriously.

Ha ha so true. People tend to quote eBay as a source of market value, but they are looking at ASKING prices and NOT the completed listings which is the true source of real value. If you are buying something and assuming you'll sell it in a month for X amount if you don't like it, that's just poor planning. I think some dudes on RT get into this pattern and get irritated when their gear isn't selling, and lash out at times. I've seen it quite a bit over the past 4 years.

 

[Smac77]

I have an amp up on another forum for 50% of its new price, and the last guy that messaged me wanted me to take less than that, so he would lose less money when he sold it later...

Thats pretty bold to say in an offer, can't see it helping his cause much !

 

[kronat]

Much of this is caused by the evolving marked. 10 years ago you could have bought a used JCM 900 and sell it again for the same price, because there was a demand. Nowadays, these stuff are just plain old, and nobody wants them anymore. So, you have to lower the price for it.

 

[Smac77]

A lot of people don't realize that music gear is a lot like cars...drive them off the lot and they are automatically devalued. People always "want what they paid for it", but it is a stupid and unrealistic thing.

EXACTLY.

looks like you guys would get along good Give me a fucking break...so the guy buying it for $3500 would only be able to flip it for 70% of that??? When does it stop?? Stupid

Yes, you are exactly right. Go into a guitar shop, pay $3000 for a guitar new, you can probably sell it for $2100 used. What is so hard to understand?

I agree, you have a big instant loss on most new gear... 70% is probably a good high water mark. Why would I ever buy something used when for a few hundred extra $$ i can walk into the local music shop and get it new... there has to be very good value for used, to sell. Vintage/custom has a different set of rules.. but in todays market, there is so much really good gear available it makes zero sense to pay top dollar on used...

Amps and cabs ??? Well here's my thoughts... you'd be lucky with only a 30% loss, very lucky. Computer programs, Fractal and kemper are surely hurting amp resales...especially used. For a couple thou i can now get a unit that will sound like every amp with the right IR. Forget the argument which is better.... my guess is, you just lost 60% of the total amp market to technology alone !

Total market overhaul is what i beleive is happening moreso on the electronics side of course.

As someone said above, might as well keep it now... or cut it loose, no sense complaining/whining about low offers, be lucky you even have offers. I AWAYS THANK PEOPLE FOR THEIR OFFER, no matter if it was a lowball or not. Calling them names? Well, look in the mirror. If they jerk you around yes they are douchebags, if they give you a low offer, no... they just told you what they are willing to pay.

Cheaper gear is not a bad thing, unless you paid too much i have a jcm 1960a 900 4x12 i bought for $1100 new. Minty, never gigged as good as day 1... sitting at $500. Just the way it is right now.

 

[Smac77]

Well, there's probably a few things going on. One is that it might not be worth what you think (in the end, it's worth what folks will pay). Another issue is that expensive stuff really is worth a lot to the right buyers, but finding those buyers in the right mood is hard and takes time; that's a liquidity problem.

The problem with "it's worth what folks will pay", is that people push the limits of what they can get away with paying. They want things for nothing. I got an offer of $450 for my Stiletto, are you saying it's only worth $450 because some douche wants it for that?

He's a douche because he made you an offer ? Just put "price is firm, i will not accept low offers" in your ad . Save you both time.

 

[LP Freak]

Well, there's probably a few things going on. One is that it might not be worth what you think (in the end, it's worth what folks will pay). Another issue is that expensive stuff really is worth a lot to the right buyers, but finding those buyers in the right mood is hard and takes time; that's a liquidity problem.

The problem with "it's worth what folks will pay", is that people push the limits of what they can get away with paying. They want things for nothing. I got an offer of $450 for my Stiletto, are you saying it's only worth $450 because some douche wants it for that?

He's a douche because he made you an offer ? Just put "price is firm, i will not accept low offers" in your ad . Save you both time.

This ^ or just ignore him

 

[NeubyWanKaneuby]

I have an amp up on another forum for 50% of its new price, and the last guy that messaged me wanted me to take less than that, so he would lose less money when he sold it later...

Thats pretty bold to say in an offer, can't see it helping his cause much !

That price includes shipping and paypal fees. I based it off of what things actually sold for on ebay, and my price is lower than that.

I'm probably just going to keep it. If I sold it for much less, I could just take it to Guitar Center and get 15% off something to make up the difference.

 

[romanianreaper]

I think trading is better these days. There is always someone needing something.

 

[Les Zombie]

The asking price for the R9 is fine and actually a good price, since its the 50th anni version and has the gold book coa and was limited and mint condition then it should sell, in the past i had watched these guitars they always sold for a bit more than the regular R9 on the used market, things is slow right now for gear but eventually you will find a buyer.

 

[jlbaxe]

I'm a buyer.... Just haven't found what I am looking for

 

[Smac77]

I think trading is better these days. There is always someone needing something.

Yep, best way to get fair value.

 

[Candiria]

A lot of people don't realize that music gear is a lot like cars...drive them off the lot and they are automatically devalued. People always "want what they paid for it", but it is a stupid and unrealistic thing.

If you buy the thing new, then yea, but I haven't sold a piece of gear that I bought used where I didn't get back what I paid for it +/- a couple bucks. I've even made some money on a couple of the things I bought new on clearance. Of course I'm also willing to let my stuff sit until I get what it's worth. If something generally sells for $800 I'm not taking $500.

Part of the issue is that people get hit with medical bills or something so they have to let their stuff go for whatever they can get, then someone posts online "I got this ___ for $___" and then other people expect that price to be the norm rather than the exception.