Someone please tell me what the deal is with Blackmachine?

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For Stealthtastic...you made a quote in another BM thread regarding the new B6 to which I replied with a question but the thread died.

Stealthtastic":2ybu62ty said:
No wood options, just pickups. And while I think the felines are awesome, I wouldn't say quality is identical.
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I've been kicking around the idea of trying one of these out...what are the quality differences that you speak of? Thanks.
 
rupe":snv43apc said:
For Stealthtastic...you made a quote in another BM thread regarding the new B6 to which I replied with a question but the thread died.

Stealthtastic":snv43apc said:
No wood options, just pickups. And while I think the felines are awesome, I wouldn't say quality is identical.
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I've been kicking around the idea of trying one of these out...what are the quality differences that you speak of? Thanks.
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Yeah, I was wondering this myself. People are talking about these qualities that make them better, but they seem to be a secret. You'd have thought that they would have come out after 5 pages. :lol: :LOL:
 
rupe":ntxg1izi said:
I've been kicking around the idea of trying one of these out...what are the quality differences that you speak of? Thanks.
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I asked that around 3 pages ago, and so far the best we got is numerable..but unable to put your finger on just what they are.

I don't give a shit how much money people spend on whatever, I just want to know what they think they are getting.
 
Ya know at the end of the day play what you like. I have many bigger buck guitars, 4 Suhrs and 3 Andersons and many others and you know what's really floating my boat right now? A Road Worn 60's strat, bone stock and I paid $600 bucks for it brand new. Do your thing, $15000 BM or made in Mexico strat like I have. Some of my cheaper guitars have the most character! That said if I had to choose one to live with and get rid of all the other one of my Suhrs would be the pick but I'm just sayin....Rock on!
 
Interesting read this morning :lol: :LOL:

You know, Iv'e read in more than a few times in this thread where "internet hype" is unfortunate or bad for a business :confused: I mean how much in parts and material warrants a $10,000-$15,000 guitar with a bolt on neck?? I'd say THANK YOU INTERNET HYPE....all the way to the bank! :thumbsup: :D

With that said, I'm not one to ever bash on anyone having the means to afford something they 'want'. We all want something and we all have a price range. Mine is in the $1,000-$1,500 range for guitars, which seems absurd to some of my friends . Good for the guys with lots of cash they can throw around at will...especially if they worked their asses off for it :thumbsup:
 
oh god I was on the hype train since the website came out w/ only sikth playing the guitars. I should have gotten in on that wait list and made $12k.
 
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Such a unique band. Think they're playing a one off reform set at Download this year. I'm almost tempted to go just to see them again.
 
I just bought another one last night. Feel free to send me hate mail via PM
 
Stealthtastic":1wyv9pth said:
I just bought another one last night. Feel free to send me hate mail via PM
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No one is really hating on you (myself included).

We're just extremely curious as to why BM is not only worth the inflated prices (used, I get it) but why they're the end all, be all of guitars even within the B2-7 etc.

I know I came across as harsh earlier but I'm just as curious as every one else. Shit, I even drank the Kool Aid and got my amp modded by Dave F. I did wait and do research for over two years before hand but I still joined the club.
 
The main reason I think BMs eat most brands for breakfast is because they just sound so much better. They are really well built, solid guitars, but I haven't been able to find a similar tone elsewhere, and I've owned 45+ guitars in the last year or so. I have friends that were offered in excess of $20,000 USD for theirs and they refused - most of them aren't even well off financially, and their refusal to sell only highlights why these are so sought after.
 
Stealthtastic":1zwvla06 said:
The main reason I think BMs eat most brands for breakfast is because they just sound so much better. They are really well built, solid guitars, but I haven't been able to find a similar tone elsewhere, and I've owned 45+ guitars in the last year or so. I have friends that were offered in excess of $20,000 USD for theirs and they refused - most of them aren't even well off financially, and their refusal to sell only highlights why these are so sought after.
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Oh I understand just finding the perfect piece of equipment regardless of cost. I guess from the outside looking in, there may be a sense of pride unbeknownst to some BM owners in knowing that they are a proud few. I understand the Economics behind the pricing both new and used and it makes sense both ways. If BM were a high end LP or Fender, the hate would die down a bit given that it's something 'tangible'.

Part of the hate and disbelief comes from the fact that the Average Joe doesn't have a single thing to compare it to. With the aforementioned Fender/Gibson guitars, the prices reflect year, value etc. BM doesn't have either the time frame in years nor anything in a lower or even widespread amount of comparable pricing options to offer a true difference of opinion between models in pricing.

If there were more BM guitars both new and used on the market, then I could say, shit, this particular one is really worth 15,000 vs this other model which should be at 12,000 all day long.
 
Stealthtastic":2zmpce7p said:
I just bought another one last night. Feel free to send me hate mail via PM
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not hate from me, congrats bro.
better yet, why dont you send it to me :D to check out and compare to some of my favorite guitars :thumbsup: .
 
Aristocat":2u1e3phj said:
Stealthtastic":2u1e3phj said:
I just bought another one last night. Feel free to send me hate mail via PM
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No one is really hating on you (myself included).

We're just extremely curious as to why BM is not only worth the inflated prices (used, I get it) but why they're the end all, be all of guitars even within the B2-7 etc.

I know I came across as harsh earlier but I'm just as curious as every one else. Shit, I even drank the Kool Aid and got my amp modded by Dave F. I did wait and do research for over two years before hand but I still joined the club.
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What do you mean by "drank the Kool Aid?" Are you implying that Friedman's mods are not worth the hype? Why keep something that is hyped up Kool Aid? I have owned amps that I did not like, I sold them. Not every amp works for everyone.

If you or anyone else is so interested in a BM find one somewhere near where you live and play it. That is the only real way you will know if the guitar is worth the money or if it is a hyped up pos. Without first hand knowledge, you cannot say if something is over priced or not. Without first hand knowledge, your opinion has no value and makes you sound either envious or stupid.

It is fair to say you do not need to spend $15-20k to get a good guitar, or give opinions on what type of materials are best, but your and my ability to be credible and say much else ends there without having played one.

Why anyone would worry about how someone else values guitars or amps? What people pay for BM or any other guitars should be of no concern unless you either want one or have one to sell. If the used price is over inflated, it will come down, if not it won't. I admit I did not read every thread on BM guitars but I did read a recent one and if I remember correctly the owner posted it to show off his new guitar, something we all do and is part of the fun of the forum. If he overpaid, oh well, his loss. If he loves it, great! I never heard of BM guitars before and enjoyed the pictures and learning a little about the guitar.
 
Stealthtastic":3fkpeq8u said:
The main reason I think BMs eat most brands for breakfast is because they just sound so much better. They are really well built, solid guitars, but I haven't been able to find a similar tone elsewhere, and I've owned 45+ guitars in the last year or so. I have friends that were offered in excess of $20,000 USD for theirs and they refused - most of them aren't even well off financially, and their refusal to sell only highlights why these are so sought after.
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I don't think people hate you or the other people with Black Machines because you have them, or because you spent a lot of money on a guitar. Spent $10K+ on a guitar? Congrats. I don't really care what anyone else does with their money.

What I get tired of is the hyperbole BS about how there's no other guitar as good as a BM. Sure, it's a really, really nice guitar that's well built and sounds great. But saying it eats most brands for breakfast, and calling it a Ferrari to Suhr's Honda is just silly, and is quite obviously your opinion. As soon as you can realize that and state it as such, the better. The other guy stating that (and I'm paraphrasing here) bolt-ons are obviously better says to me that he spends more time buying and selling guitars, instead of playing them.

But like I said, enjoy your rare, expensive guitars. I just think you're misinterpreting any "hate" that's going on about Black Machines, with "hate" being a very strong word I generally wouldn't reserve for something as silly as what guitars/amps people buy.

I've been playing for probably as long as you've been alive, and while I'm no shredder, I've been around the block long enough and played and owned enough guitars to know that so much of this is subjective, especially when it gets into the five figure guitars. Is it "worth it"? Sure. To someone, and that's fine. But let's ease up on the hyperbole here.
 
Stealthtastic":2rlnotlz said:
It was a bit tongue in cheek. Personally I prefer bolt-ons too though, two of the three guitars I've owned with the best sustain have been bolt-on and the other one was a set neck Ruokangas.

A 2009 study also confirmed that neck thrus do not sustain any better:
http://liutaiomottola.com/myth/neckJointSustain.htm
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I won't argue with you on the merits of bolt-on, I prefer it too. But it's still subjective, as each method of construction impart different properties on the tone of the guitar.
 
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