RJF
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15-20 grand for a freakin' bolt on? Lame.
VC4Ever
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xzyryabx
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VC4Ever":2n1w1np1 said:
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polaris20
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BM's are nice guitars, and people can buy what they want. That being said, some of the hyperbole in this thread is pretty funny.
sytharnia1560
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RJF":1vxzn9a3 said:
you say that like bolt ons are inferior which is just so not the case
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polaris20
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sytharnia1560":3uylnd7u said:RJF":3uylnd7u said:
you say that like bolt ons are inferior which is just so not the case
I agree, bolt-on vs. neck through vs. setneck is irrelevant, as it applies to quality of a guitar. However $15-$20K for a guitar that didn't cost that much brand new is just supply/demand+internet hype.
VC4Ever
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Here's an honest review about a B6 back in 2010. I know it's not a "true" Blackmachine but never the less...
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/standa ... ne-b6.html
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/standa ... ne-b6.html
Stealthtastic
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VC4Ever":18ln1njm said:
A lot of those things are personal preference and you can't really blame a guitar that could have suffered fretboard shrinkage due to traveling thousands of kilometres and going through a few owners in the process.
The b6 is very reasonably priced compared to most guitars in Europe anyways.
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joepete77
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True, but it can't be argued that making a bolt on neck guitar isn't easier/less man hours to produce then a set neck or neck through guitar, which adds to the naysayers hype argument.sytharnia1560":1ui8f5we said:RJF":1ui8f5we said:
you say that like bolt ons are inferior which is just so not the case
dethyr
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Stealthtastic":2pjrhodi said:
There's been a few companies that have had mishaps with the shrinkage / frets over the past while no?
And in regard to what you said before about people talking shit on really pricey gear or the people that buy it. The way I see it is, if someone has the money, buy whatever makes you happy as long as they don't rub it in people's faces and talk down on lesser/cheaper gear (i:e when I was recently really pumped about buying an axe fx ultra and a guy in a local band said "ultra? what is this 2010, get the II or go home"). I don't see a lot of either end of that happening in here which is great because there's adults in here.
In regard to the black machine guitars, I had the chance to play one a few years ago when I went to jam with some guys in the states in MN. It was a beautifully crafted guitar, played like butter and sounded impeccable. Anyone lucky enough to own one should hang onto it for life.
This might be a n00b question and covered a million times but can someone tell me why he is not making guitars anymore?
engage757
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Most people realize that a Bolt-on sounds better. 
Unless you prefer bolting your pickups to a bunch of pieces of wood glued together. You lose attack, resonance and sustain with a neck-thru.
Unless you prefer bolting your pickups to a bunch of pieces of wood glued together. You lose attack, resonance and sustain with a neck-thru.
dethyr
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engage757":3sf5pt0g said:Most people realize that a Bolt-on sounds better.
I agree completely. For me there's also a better feel as well, not sure how to explain it.
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animal
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engage757":26imdi3a said:Most people realize that a Bolt-on sounds better.
lol you do realise what genre most BM guys use the guitar for right?
not exactly what i call a great example for tone when you get the same sound with a pod and a broomstick
JimmyBlind
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animal":19mffjqg said:
Philo Beddoe
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So how much would a Suhr(or Anderson)be worth if John or Tom had made exactly the same number of guitars as BM's made then quit making them like the BM's?
Would they be selling for what the BM's are?
Would they be selling for what the BM's are?
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Sedgebeast
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I've been lurking here for a while now but felt compelled to register here just to clear up a few things in this thread that are potentially misleading.
Doug is definitely a) still building and b) doing this full-time. When it comes to the B2/B7/F8 instruments, it's a completely one-man operation. He is snowed under with offers and requests which can give the impression he isn't building but it isn't true - the logistics of the situation force him to just have to 'pick and choose' his builds so to speak.
The suggestion he's a part-timer or some-such really isn't fair - he is an utterly committed builder and totally dedicated to the continued refinement of his instruments. I met with him last week and he was enthusing about some new developments he was planning on implementing. He had a couple of newly-built instruments with him and they were outstanding. The massive second-hand prices are purely a supply/demand issue - not the builder's fault, he certainly isn't seeing that cash!
The B6 guitars are part-built by Feline Guitars (another excellent London-based builder). The B6 waiting list alone is over 50 names long right now apparently, not sure if they've closed the book for a while on these. This certainly adds to the sense of unobtainability I guess!
I purchased my B2 back in 2004 when no-one really knew much about these guitars. The net hype that's taken place since is astonishing really which is unfortunate in some ways as it does a bit of a disservice to someone who's only real interest is in building the best guitars that he can. They aren't for everyone certainly - but they more than work for me.
Doug is definitely a) still building and b) doing this full-time. When it comes to the B2/B7/F8 instruments, it's a completely one-man operation. He is snowed under with offers and requests which can give the impression he isn't building but it isn't true - the logistics of the situation force him to just have to 'pick and choose' his builds so to speak.
The suggestion he's a part-timer or some-such really isn't fair - he is an utterly committed builder and totally dedicated to the continued refinement of his instruments. I met with him last week and he was enthusing about some new developments he was planning on implementing. He had a couple of newly-built instruments with him and they were outstanding. The massive second-hand prices are purely a supply/demand issue - not the builder's fault, he certainly isn't seeing that cash!
The B6 guitars are part-built by Feline Guitars (another excellent London-based builder). The B6 waiting list alone is over 50 names long right now apparently, not sure if they've closed the book for a while on these. This certainly adds to the sense of unobtainability I guess!
I purchased my B2 back in 2004 when no-one really knew much about these guitars. The net hype that's taken place since is astonishing really which is unfortunate in some ways as it does a bit of a disservice to someone who's only real interest is in building the best guitars that he can. They aren't for everyone certainly - but they more than work for me.
JimmyBlind
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I saw that Doug's own BM guitar was up for sale this last 6 months. Can't remember how much it fetched, but I 'think' it was up in the order of £6K.
What sort of figure/range are the privileged few looking at for a new build B2?
What sort of figure/range are the privileged few looking at for a new build B2?
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Sedgebeast
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Yeah, that was one he'd built for himself a while back but reluctantly had to sell to fund some more timber. As it hadn't been built for any specific customer, he sold that on the 2nd-hand market so fair enough, that ended up going for a fair whack.
As for new commissions, I'm not sure what he's asking now. I do intend to enquire at some stage but he's up to his eyebrows getting ready for Musikmesse in March so will wait until that's over.
As for new commissions, I'm not sure what he's asking now. I do intend to enquire at some stage but he's up to his eyebrows getting ready for Musikmesse in March so will wait until that's over.
JimmyBlind
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I guess, given that the B6 models are currently made by someone else, without any of the trimmings & exotic tops, & retail (apparently) for £2300, we're still probably looking at B2 guitars well in excess of £3000 & a horrific waiting list no doubt?
Be good to put the customer order price of B2 guitars into perspective for everyone. Maybe then people can debate whether or not they justify their cost.
Be good to put the customer order price of B2 guitars into perspective for everyone. Maybe then people can debate whether or not they justify their cost.
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Sedgebeast
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B6's are around £2200-£2300, that is correct. With that in mind, somewhere in the region of £3500 for a new B2 sounds sensible though I really don't know right now, it could be more. I do intend to confirm that - would make for a more balanced debate than the endless rumour-mongering. Seriously lovely guitars it has to be said - the latest ones I tried were better than ever (if it's possible to imagine), the stuff is improving all of the time.