Someone please tell me what the deal is with Blackmachine?

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Stealthtastic":52k4c21f said:
danyeo":52k4c21f said:
Wow, you could buy 3 Anderson's and 2 Suhr's for the price of this fugly piece.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare- ... 4ad04e2f2b

Too bad they dont compare AT ALL to a BM. I've owned 2-3 Suhrs now including one built by john suhr himself and it was an extremely low serial #...still didnt compare to my Blackmachine.

If you're happy with Suhr or TA though, good for you.


I wonder how many of you tell ferrari owners they could buy a ton of hondas for that price? Hard to believe some of you are older than 14! :doh:


:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
:doh:
 
stratjacket":3b0larrm said:
Stealthtastic":3b0larrm said:
That's a b6, which is readily available new for £2300 with a two year wait. Only the b2/b7/f8 are $$$.

Oh OK. I thought the price difference was whether or not it was built by Doug or the one's that were farmed out to another builder with Doug's help or something. And that one says it was built by Doug.

The current run B6 is a solid ash body with a maple neck/RW board as compared to the others which have various exotic wood tops, necks, boards. There are no current runs of the others - only when Doug decides to go find the right wood and build.

In Rig Talk language, it is sort of like buying a Suhr Modern Pro as compared to a full on custom spec Modern.
 
jlbaxe":3eebj3iz said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
 
Stealthtastic":1odrv6hk said:
crankyrayhanky":1odrv6hk said:
This kind of sucks for those of us dreaming to one day buy a TA or Suhr

Well they aren't bad instruments. Its just like comparing a nice BMW to a lambo or a ferrari. The BMW is still fucking awesome but you can't compare it to a high end super car.
See, I don't think this is a good comparison at all. Your personal opinion is the BM is a Lambo or Ferrari and the others are BMWs. For someone else, a Tom Anderson or a Suhr might be the Ferrari and the BM might be the BMW. It is a matter of personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. Not every player is going to find the BM superior regardless of the price. I've played lots of expensive, high end guitars and I prefer some of my much less expensive Charvel Custom Shop guitars. For me, those are Ferarris. I enjoy exotic wood guitars and I understand why they cost more and perhaps if I was a different kind of player, I'd prefer something else... Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to buy what they love regardless of the cost, however, personal preference does not mean one guitar is "better/superior" any more than price does...

Play what you dig and spend what you need to to get it is my opinion, but don't say it 's "better" than something someone else digs more...

Steve
 
sah5150":2mhe2ip4 said:
Stealthtastic":2mhe2ip4 said:
crankyrayhanky":2mhe2ip4 said:
This kind of sucks for those of us dreaming to one day buy a TA or Suhr

Well they aren't bad instruments. Its just like comparing a nice BMW to a lambo or a ferrari. The BMW is still fucking awesome but you can't compare it to a high end super car.
See, I don't think this is a good comparison at all. Your personal opinion is the BM is a Lambo or Ferrari and the others are BMWs. For someone else, a Tom Anderson or a Suhr might be the Ferrari and the BM might be the BMW. It is a matter of personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. Not every player is going to find the BM superior regardless of the price.

Steve

I dunno, to me the BMs are in a category of their own, similar to Ruokangas, Gil Yaron, Gustav, Myka, ViK, etc.

To each their own though.
 
engage757":21030ruc said:
danyeo":21030ruc said:
engage757":21030ruc said:
Well, a lot of us grew out of it and realized that active pickups simply color, not create. Believe me. That's my guitar. Maybe Steve could tell you how his KL with EMGs sounds exactly like the schecter hellraiser with EMGs as well. ;)

Good luck with the sale. I hope some idiot out there shells out the 15K for it.


Some idiot already has I believe, and this idiot happens to be a friend of yours I do believe.

So, until you decide to play in another league, stop bashing what you don't understand, get yourself a copy of the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook", learn how to EQ, and then maybe you can feel qualified to explain to the thousands of players of active pickups why their choice in gear is wrong.

It's less about the pickups and more about 15K for a guitar that's not worth it IMHO. The fact that it has EMG just adds to the insanity of it all.

Let me emphasize this again...IMHO
 
sah5150":1677v9jx said:
jlbaxe":1677v9jx said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
Ah you know after going back and looking at Mesa Hollywood store at the Nash guitars I see they don't say Fender on the headstock. So they are parts guitars with fender necks? :confused: or does he buy the Fender and remove the Fender logo? Did Fender have an issue and if so why doesn't Gibson?
 
acalaf wrote:
First off, I want to say that the sound cloud clip of loomis' guitarist playing battery through a Blackmachine sounds below average. The tone sounds digital, like it is a cheap ibanez going through a metal zone pedal. The playing is tight though. If this is meant to some how show this guitar in a good light, it did the exact opposite. Loomis' tone on his video is inferior to his regular tone as well, faces and all.

That said, hearing that the builder of these guitars doesn't build guitars full time convinced me that this is a serious and sad case of internet hype. If is frankly insulting to full time guitar builders that the best among them is an part timer. I concede that he may be "talented" at building guitars, but this is akin to stating that the best guitarist is a part timer also who is an accountant on the side. Please.

When BM owners are described as a tight knit group, moving behind the scenes with other BM owners, because putting one up for sale publicly makes you an asshole, I makes me think of a cult. The group needs to be tight knit in order to keep their delusion alive. These guitars are worth whatever they are worth because of simple economics: supply and demand. Please don't make them out to be more than that.

Btw, I wouldn't sell my 1992 les paul standard for $20,000 either. Too much sentimental value for me. Does that mean that it is worth that?


Edit: never mind. This post isn't intelligent enough to justify a response.


Forgive me Guapo, I know that me, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education..
 
Stealthtastic":3qnf6cui said:
sah5150":3qnf6cui said:
Stealthtastic":3qnf6cui said:
crankyrayhanky":3qnf6cui said:
This kind of sucks for those of us dreaming to one day buy a TA or Suhr

Well they aren't bad instruments. Its just like comparing a nice BMW to a lambo or a ferrari. The BMW is still fucking awesome but you can't compare it to a high end super car.
See, I don't think this is a good comparison at all. Your personal opinion is the BM is a Lambo or Ferrari and the others are BMWs. For someone else, a Tom Anderson or a Suhr might be the Ferrari and the BM might be the BMW. It is a matter of personal preference. Different strokes for different folks. Not every player is going to find the BM superior regardless of the price.

Steve

I dunno, to me the BMs are in a category of their own, similar to Ruokangas, Gil Yaron, Gustav, Myka, ViK, etc.

To each their own though.
That's your opinion, to which you are entitled, and for you, it's true and that's why you are willing to lay out the cash for one. Other's might have different thoughts on the matter. I just wish their thoughts were not to insult you for your opinion and buying decisions. That is just ignorant and I see a lot of that type of ignorance in this thread... As I said, I've laid out a lot of cash for a Bartlett and I'm 1.5 years and a lot more dollars from a guitar (at best). And I'm sure plenty of folks responding about the BM in this thread would ridicule me for that as well. I think that's dumb. Who cares what you or I do with our cash?

That said I do think it's a bit arrogant to say that a BM is fundamentally "better" than something like a custom Suhr or Anderson or other nice high end guitar that might be less expensive to buy. "Better for me" would be a better, less arrogant way to discuss it. I also do understand why some are turned off when people who own them are discussing the ownership as if it is some exclusive club that they can't afford to be in so they should just butt out of commenting... It's also clear that rig-talk is made up of a wide variety of folks with widely varying incomes and responsibilities and I understand some folks thinking it ridiculous to pay $15K for a guitar (or $5K or $3K really). I just wish they wouldn't describe people doing so as "idiots". If you earn $30K/year, you'd be an idiot to do it, but if you make $500K per year, it would be like the $30K guy buying a Squier strat. Might want to consider that before calling someone an idiot for doing something that others can't... Two sides to the story that lead to the controversy and acrimony in this thread really...

IMHO... YMMV... etc. etc. etc....

Steve
 
Stealthtastic":3pprfdw7 said:
Well they aren't bad instruments. Its just like comparing a nice BMW to a lambo or a ferrari. The BMW is still fucking awesome but you can't compare it to a high end super car.

I think a BMW M5 can easily be compared to those "super" cars ...... some one I know has just got a 2014 model that he had factory dual/twin exhaust system installed and its pushing over 600bhp...one scary ride
 
jlbaxe":rj0a8o7d said:
sah5150":rj0a8o7d said:
jlbaxe":rj0a8o7d said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
Ah you know after going back and looking at Mesa Hollywood store at the Nash guitars I see they don't say Fender on the headstock. So they are parts guitars with fender necks? :confused: or does he buy the Fender and remove the Fender logo? Did Fender have an issue and if so why doesn't Gibson?
No, they are parts guitars. He order parts to his specs, build them and relics them. They are not Fenders. He does really nice relics and his guitar setups are phenomenal. They play really nicely. I had one, but it was just too relic'd on the fretboard for me to enjoy. Would get another less relic'd one though...

On your other question, he is buying Fender licensed parts, so he can do it without fear of legal issues. The Gibsons are just Gibsons that he purchases and relics. Gibson already got their money, so they don't care what he does with them to re-sell them? They still have the logos because they ARE Gibsons...

Steve
 
danyeo":29cctgry said:
engage757":29cctgry said:
danyeo":29cctgry said:
engage757":29cctgry said:
Well, a lot of us grew out of it and realized that active pickups simply color, not create. Believe me. That's my guitar. Maybe Steve could tell you how his KL with EMGs sounds exactly like the schecter hellraiser with EMGs as well. ;)

Good luck with the sale. I hope some idiot out there shells out the 15K for it.


Some idiot already has I believe, and this idiot happens to be a friend of yours I do believe.

So, until you decide to play in another league, stop bashing what you don't understand, get yourself a copy of the "Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook", learn how to EQ, and then maybe you can feel qualified to explain to the thousands of players of active pickups why their choice in gear is wrong.

It's less about the pickups and more about 15K for a guitar that's not worth it IMHO. The fact that it has EMG just adds to the insanity of it all.

Let me emphasize this again...IMHO
So why call someone an idiot for having a different opinion than you though? Why the name calling if you just have a difference of opinion? Seems uncalled for...

Steve
 
sah5150":2x2aytm6 said:
jlbaxe":2x2aytm6 said:
sah5150":2x2aytm6 said:
jlbaxe":2x2aytm6 said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
Ah you know after going back and looking at Mesa Hollywood store at the Nash guitars I see they don't say Fender on the headstock. So they are parts guitars with fender necks? :confused: or does he buy the Fender and remove the Fender logo? Did Fender have an issue and if so why doesn't Gibson?
No, they are parts guitars. He order parts to his specs, build them and relics them. They are not Fenders. He does really nice relics and his guitar setups are phenomenal. They play really nicely. I had one, but it was just too relic'd on the fretboard for me to enjoy. Would get another less relic'd one though...

Steve
Cool thanks for clarifying that for me. I like a few LP,Tele and starts but not the heavy relic ones either. Would luv to try one
 
jlbaxe":2dy8qdwp said:
sah5150":2dy8qdwp said:
jlbaxe":2dy8qdwp said:
sah5150":2dy8qdwp said:
jlbaxe":2dy8qdwp said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
Ah you know after going back and looking at Mesa Hollywood store at the Nash guitars I see they don't say Fender on the headstock. So they are parts guitars with fender necks? :confused: or does he buy the Fender and remove the Fender logo? Did Fender have an issue and if so why doesn't Gibson?
No, they are parts guitars. He order parts to his specs, build them and relics them. They are not Fenders. He does really nice relics and his guitar setups are phenomenal. They play really nicely. I had one, but it was just too relic'd on the fretboard for me to enjoy. Would get another less relic'd one though...

Steve
Cool thanks for clarifying that for me. I like a few LP,Tele and starts but not the heavy relic ones either. Would luv to try one
They are nice - check 'em out!

Steve
 
sah5150":1fq8i73x said:
jlbaxe":1fq8i73x said:
sah5150":1fq8i73x said:
jlbaxe":1fq8i73x said:
sah5150":1fq8i73x said:
jlbaxe":1fq8i73x said:
Look at nash guitars. He takes a new Tele, Strat or Gibson LP standard/traditional and relics it then resells them for double :lol: :LOL:

I call that a used guitar worth half or less than new :lol: :LOL:

When I was growing up there were no vintage guitars just old used ones :doh:
That's not correct. He does that with Les Pauls, however The Teles and Strats are built from quality parts he buys.

Steve
Ah you know after going back and looking at Mesa Hollywood store at the Nash guitars I see they don't say Fender on the headstock. So they are parts guitars with fender necks? :confused: or does he buy the Fender and remove the Fender logo? Did Fender have an issue and if so why doesn't Gibson?
No, they are parts guitars. He order parts to his specs, build them and relics them. They are not Fenders. He does really nice relics and his guitar setups are phenomenal. They play really nicely. I had one, but it was just too relic'd on the fretboard for me to enjoy. Would get another less relic'd one though...

Steve
Cool thanks for clarifying that for me. I like a few LP,Tele and starts but not the heavy relic ones either. Would luv to try one
They are nice - check 'em out!

Steve
I'm scared :lol: :LOL: just bought the one in my avatar and a EC Blackie strat all in the same week
 
rlord1974":3qhtwbih said:
I use EMG single coils in some of my Strats. Strangely, all of these Strats sound a little different.....

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My EMGs must be broken, since they don't make these Strats sound identical.
The word identical was never used to describe EMG's by me. No need to come back with a smart assed comment.
 
What a shit show. :lol: :LOL:

Buy and play what works for you; worth is an entirely subjective term.
 
jcj":2rjzse0g said:
What a shit show. :lol: :LOL:

Buy and play what works for you; worth is an entirely subjective term.


Many men are concerned Josh.... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
The hilarity of this is that one Blackmachine guitar is roughly half the cost of a tricked out Harley.

Play what you can afford and enjoy.
 
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