Anyone score a Zzounds 2203x blowout?

[rstites]

Also, it must be said that having someone else play an emulation of a real amp can frequently sound perfectly fine, whereas actually playing the two will feel completely different. That difference in feel does change how we approach the instrument and how it ultimately sounds.

For example, I write differently on an acoustic vs. an unplugged electric vs. a small practice amp vs. a large amp turned up a bit. When we record, I might use 2 or 3 of those, but I'll actually play the instrument and react a bit different with each setup.

 

[The~Kid]

Also, it must be said that having someone else play an emulation of a real amp can frequently sound perfectly fine, whereas actually playing the two will feel completely different. That difference in feel does change how we approach the instrument and how it ultimately sounds.

For example, I write differently on an acoustic vs. an unplugged electric vs. a small practice amp vs. a large amp turned up a bit. When we record, I might use 2 or 3 of those, but I'll actually play the instrument and react a bit different with each setup.

Yeah I imagine if You play a GT1 or a Top end Modeler next to a real amp.....


Its not going to capture the amps 100% but fuck me if they don't sound good on a big stage and as good as some of the real amps or better in some cases.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

The cover Bands and dude played some Guns n Roses covers and also Even though it was 90s music threw in a Pink Floyd Song..... I think Money or Comfortably Numb..... They also did Nirvana and other 90s stuff like OffSpring and Oasis etc etc.... It was all amazing.


But when he played some Guns n Roses..... Dude just had a fantastic tone, it really was epic...... Slash used Marshalls no and a JCM800 or similar or a modded one..... I couldnt find an amp he was playing on stage and when I asked My Whole perspective changed.....


Didnt make me realize "shit I need a GT1 and PA system" but damn I need to practice more and well fancy gear and shit isnt what it's all about


I imagine the dude has a rig and stuff but yeah..... Dude Made that GT1 sound like a million dollars. Ive Heard some other great Bands like some Doors Cover Bands or ACDC ones that actually use real gear, top dollar amps and some like the Doors band used vintage gear..... They sound amazing.....


But yeah just going to Say that BOSS GT1 changed My perspective on gear, tone and playing.

That's all well and good, but...

You said you hate the tone of a JCM800. You though the guy that was had a GT1 was playing a JCM800. So following that through wouldn't you have hated the tone of the GT1 because you thought it sounded like a JCM800?
Why would you hate the tone of one and think the other was amazing when you couldn't distinguish the tone between the two?

 

[The~Kid]

That's all well and good, but...

You said you hate the tone of a JCM800. You though the guy that was had a GT1 was playing a JCM800. So following that through wouldn't you have hated the tone of the GT1 because you thought it sounded like a JCM800?
Why would you hate the tone of one and think the other was amazing when you couldn't distinguish the tone between the two?

A recorded and edited JCM800 sound and amp in studio or on a record is not the same as just plugging straight into one in a room......

A lot of editing, studio work etc etc is done to get that sound many love......


And a lot of those amps were also modded like Slash and his 800 to get his tones..... Nvm whatever pedals used as he loved using a Fulltone OCD or still does. So yeah a lot of the goods IMO come from the edited/studio recordings of them and well modded versions of them as well or use with pedals..... I bet many of the 800 tones many love use pedals, were heavily edited in studio and yeah came from modded 800s and not stock ones

 

[MadAsAHatter]

A recorded and edited JCM800 sound and amp in studio or on a record is not the same as just plugging straight into one in a room......

A lot of editing, studio work etc etc is done to get that sound many love......


And a lot of those amps were also modded like Slash and his 800 to get his tones..... Nvm whatever pedals used as he loved using a Fulltone OCD or still does. So yeah a lot of the goods IMO come from the edited/studio recordings of them and well modded versions of them as well or use with pedals..... I bet many of the 800 tones many love use pedals, were heavily edited in studio and yeah came from modded 800s and not stock ones

We're not talking about what other people do and do not like. We're talking about you personally don't like the tone of a JCM800. Yet what you though to be a JCM800 in a live setting was actually a Boss GT1 and you though it sounded amazing. Do you not see the contradiction here?

I think what you might actually be trying to say is you have no idea what a JCM800 actually sounds like, but you're more that happy to trash it. That seem about right?

 

[Exo-metal]

Wait, I thought you said a JCM800 was overrated and sounded terrible?
But you thought some dude playing a GT1 through a PA sounded like a JCM800 and it was amazing?
Make that make sense.

The Clock is consistent

 

[The~Kid]

I mean I hardly agree with dude on anything.....


But aside from the topology/architecture of a stock 800..... That leaves a lot to be desired as many are heavily modified anyways and many of the sounds You hear and love are super edited and/or from modded 800s or use pedals etc etc.....


They be using Vietnamese Power Transformers now...... That are lower Quality and cause noise..... On an amp that cost 3k+..... That aint cheap..... So why use cheap materials.....



Cant Say I blame Marshall as much as the fucking economist around the World destroying it......


First it's a smaller bag of chips with less chips for the same price, then the chocolate bars and burgers become smaller and You pay the same or more.......then the same with Cars Made shittier for the same or more money......


Now it's the amps.......


Economist around the World have truly destroyed the fucking World and Society

 

[The~Kid]

We're not talking about what other people do and do not like. We're talking about you personally don't like the tone of a JCM800. Yet what you though to be a JCM800 in a live setting was actually a Boss GT1 and you though it sounded amazing. Do you not see the contradiction here?

I think what you might actually be trying to say is you have no idea what a JCM800 actually sounds like, but you're more that happy to trash it. That seem about right?

Um no because You can Hear them on edited recordings..... Which as said many of those use pedals or come from modded 800s..... Those recordings sound great.....


And then plug into a stock 800 and be let down for said reasons mentioned.


So yeah the tone is great if You mod it, use pedals etc etc and edit the fuck out of it in recordings but again in a room plugged straight into a stock one, the amp would probably disappoint many more than not and as said IMO leaves a lot to be desired.


Nvm the Vietnamese Transformers on these new ones

 

[311boogieman]

That's all well and good, but...

You said you hate the tone of a JCM800. You though the guy that was had a GT1 was playing a JCM800. So following that through wouldn't you have hated the tone of the GT1 because you thought it sounded like a JCM800?
Why would you hate the tone of one and think the other was amazing when you couldn't distinguish the tone between the two?

Because that's what he does. After the double down, he will triple and quad his thought turd repeatedly I guess for our amusement. Quite annoying. Then, he will slowly try to blend in and soften the original troll statement. Like: "I guess this guitar give-a-way is cool", or "Sweetwater ain't so bad I guess", or "800's sound good with studio edits", or "and well to be honest if you think about it it just makes sense if you really apply maths and don't worry about that pink pussy hat bagel eating English.........it just makes sense that way once you honestly think about it". FUCK. GO BACK TO THE GEAR PAGE.

 

[rstites]

Stock 2203s sound great for 70s hard rock out of the box, no pedals necessary. It's just that we're a bunch of metalheads around here and need more gain out of them so we all boosted them. They still sound great and still have their own character that's different from other amps boosted. That doesn't make them bad amps.

I boost the rhythm channel of my MKIII Boogie and my SLO too. That doesn't mean either one sucks without boosts. I just like them better with a boost on their rhythm channel and save the lead channel for strictly lamps.

 

[The~Kid]

Because that's what he does. After the double down, he will triple and quad his thought turd repeatedly I guess for our amusement. Quite annoying. Then, he will slowly try to blend in and soften the original troll statement. Like: "I guess this guitar give-a-way is cool", or "Sweetwater ain't so bad I guess", or "800's sound good with studio edits", or "and well to be honest if you think about it it just makes sense if you really apply maths and don't worry about that pink pussy hat bagel eating English.........it just makes sense that way once you honestly think about it". FUCK. GO BACK TO THE GEAR PAGE.

Um yeah fuck TGP......



But don't forget how well You get along with real TGP Lovers like your Best friend from Ohio....


Whats his name again Clev or Chuck or Cuck.... I honestly Forgot

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Because that's what he does. After the double down, he will triple and quad his thought turd repeatedly I guess for our amusement. Quite annoying. Then, he will slowly try to blend in and soften the original troll statement. Like: "I guess this guitar give-a-way is cool", or "Sweetwater ain't so bad I guess", or "800's sound good with studio edits", or "and well to be honest if you think about it it just makes sense if you really apply maths and don't worry about that pink pussy hat bagel eating English.........it just makes sense that way once you honestly think about it". FUCK. GO BACK TO THE GEAR PAGE.

The Clock strikes thirteen..... yet again

 

[The~Kid]

The Clock strikes thirteen..... yet again

Don't be upset with the response, when You asked for it


There are just few amps that one has listened to on recordings that sound amazing and then plugged into only to walk away and be disappointed..... For said reasons that many of those recordings were heavily modified, pedals were used and the amps recorded were modified in some manner to get those amazing sounds.....



But hey whatever makes You happy and thats all that matters, if You can plug into one, be happy and it brings joy and fun into your playing and life then that is all that matters

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Don't be upset with the response, when You asked for it

What response? The one where you continued blathered in circles and said absolutely nothing?
Your continued absurdity doesn't upset me.

 

[The~Kid]

What response? The one where you continued blathered in circles and said absolutely nothing?
Your continued absurdity doesn't upset me.

Nvm heavy studio editing to make a JCM800 sound good.



Slash used an 800, it was modified.....


Metallica, same deal modified 800.....


George Lynch modified 800.....




Kerry Kings wasnt modified but the tolerance of Marshalls components was so terrible his was one that sounded great without a mod because the components in his were pretty well matched ..... But still he used EQ to Boost it. Same with Zakk Wylde and using an SD1....



None of these players used one straight in or used a stock one, they used pedals or modified the fuck out of 800 amps to sound good at all with them.


It's a great sound yes when using pedals, modify them and edit the tone in a studio but plugged straight into a stock one, it's not so great and not sure what youre on about

 

[Exo-metal]

No one is asking for your opinion Clockboy however it is at nauseum we endure it just like the Clock you serve albeit broken and in disrepair.

 

[The~Kid]

No one is asking for your opinion Clockboy however it is at nauseum we endure it just like the Clock you serve.

Well AssHatter asked..... Don't like it... Don't ask....


Not so fucking hard right..... Don't like the response dont fucking ask me. Talk about 1st World soccer mom little bitch problems..... You Black Pussy Hat

 

[skoora]

I’d like to know what the fuck you mean by “editing” a good tone? You’re not cut and pasting or crossfading a good sound out of a shit one. If you mean FX, compression etc. then God help us. You do know that whenever one of your precious bad cats or any other modern amp used in a studio they’re doing anything that somebody might use with an 800 right? But years of god like tone, live, from bands using 800’s means nothing, unless…..OMG! They had elves “editing” as they go this whole time!!

 

[The~Kid]

I’d like to know what the fuck you mean by “editing” a good tone? You’re not cut and pasting or crossfading a good sound out of a shit one. If you mean FX, compression etc. then God help us. You do know that whenever one of your precious bad cats or any other modern amp used in a studio they’re doing anything that somebody might use with an 800 right? But years of god like tone, live, from bands using 800’s means nothing, unless…..OMG! They had elves “editing” as they go this whole time!!

It's not just one thing like editing and it's a combination of things like pedals used and well further out there the modifications done on them that leaves a lot to be desired from a stock JCM800 vs what You Hear on a recording for said reasons.


IME I havent played an amp that sounds so wildly different from how it sounds in recordings to how it sounds in actual life...... It's just a Grand Canyon of a Gap in that sense where a stock JCM800 fails to live up to the hype of what one hears on a recording

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Nvm heavy studio editing to make a JCM800 sound good.



Slash used an 800, it was modified.....


Metallica, same deal modified 800.....


George Lynch modified 800.....




Kerry Kings wasnt modified but the tolerance of Marshalls components was so terrible his was one that sounded great without a mod because the components in his were pretty well matched ..... But still he used EQ to Boost it. Same with Zakk Wylde and using an SD1....



None of these players used one straight in or used a stock one, they used pedals or modified the fuck out of 800 amps to sound good at all with them.


It's a great sound yes when using pedals, modify them and edit the tone in a studio but plugged straight into a stock one, it's not so great and not sure what youre on about

Well AssHatter asked..... Don't like it... Don't ask....


Not so fucking hard right..... Don't like the response dont fucking ask me. Talk about 1st World soccer mom little bitch problems..... You Black Pussy Hat

Yes, we've established you think a stock JCM800 sounds like hot garbage.

If you think a stock JCM800 sounds like trash
and you though a Boss GT1 sounded like a stock JCM800
then you would think a Boss GT1 sounds like trash.
Yet you though the Boss GT1 sounded amazing.

The original request was for you to make that make sense.
You've yet to deliver a response addressing this. You've just gone on about studio tone editing and using modified JCM800's.