Bogner Überschall

[MetalHeadMike]

Maybe I had a lemon, but my Rev Blue was my least favorite Uber. Too bright and Marshall-y for my taste.

Nice clips!

Rev 2 sounds quite a bit thicker with a lot more low end. Not sure if that's strictly because of the way you had it eq'd compared to the TJ?

 

[Ventura]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Ooooooooooooooooh shit..... Here's a can of worms!!!

 

[maddnotez]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Ooooooooooooooooh shit..... Here's a can of worms!!!

REV 2

I have only played the Rev 2 and the TJ. I think the real answer is you need all of them

The TJ was awesome and probably even better for faster metal because it was tighter but the Rev 2 just has this amazing roar when you let the notes ring and it is kind of dark sounding to me which I like.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Ooooooooooooooooh shit..... Here's a can of worms!!!

REV 2

I have only played the Rev 2 and the TJ. I think the real answer is you need all of them

The TJ was awesome and probably even better for faster metal because it was tighter but the Rev 2 just has this amazing roar when you let the notes ring and it is kind of dark sounding to me which I like.

Alright you bastard, fuck it. I just made an appointment with my dentist to have all my gold crowns yanked. I'm gonna melt them down, cash in the gold and buy all 3

 

[Metal1977]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Ooooooooooooooooh shit..... Here's a can of worms!!!

REV 2

I have only played the Rev 2 and the TJ. I think the real answer is you need all of them

The TJ was awesome and probably even better for faster metal because it was tighter but the Rev 2 just has this amazing roar when you let the notes ring and it is kind of dark sounding to me which I like.

Alright you bastard, fuck it. I just made an appointment with my dentist to have all my gold crowns yanked. I'm gonna melt them down, cash in the gold and buy all 3

 

[Metal1977]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Well IHMO... after owning 8 Ubers from the original thru the Twin Jet... I like the new 2016 Revision Blue best. It cuts, it's brighter, tighter, and still has massive low end thickness... which is why you buy an Uber in the 1st place. I also like the Blue best with EL34s... not KT88s or 6CA7s as some also use. And yes, the newest 2016 Blue sounds better and different then a 2015 Uber Blue (I've played several of each). Something has changed. The TJ is my second favorite with KT88s. Even though the TJ with KT88s sounds a bitt too compressed, a little nasally, and congested. It not as thick and massive sounding as the Blue or Rev #2 for example. The TJ was Reinhold's response for a tighter tracking, responding, and feeling Uber. He went after the Engl/Diezel demographic. But, you loose much of what the Uber was originally designed and marketed as.... and it's not the iconic sound. And no clean channel for intros... boo!!!

Get a new Blue or a used Blue as they sound best all around... they retain the iconic Uber sound, while still being tight enough to handle most any metal style w/o a boost and they sound great recorded too.

Starting to really like the sounds of a Rev blue here. As you know Wizard, I was considering (still am) a Mesa, but the Bogner is something I've been itching to try for just as long. I'm looking for something more forgiving, with more sag, and less immediacy (not as fast in the tracking I guess) as my Engls. Don't get me wrong, I love the Engls to death and they aren't going anywhere, but I'd like something equally as capable and evil sounding for playing the brutal stuff but with more sag, bounce, and forgiveness if that makes sense.

Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Well IHMO... after owning 8 Ubers from the original thru the Twin Jet... I like the new 2016 Revision Blue best. It cuts, it's brighter, tighter, and still has massive low end thickness... which is why you buy an Uber in the 1st place. I also like the Blue best with EL34s... not KT88s or 6CA7s as some also use. And yes, the newest 2016 Blue sounds better and different then a 2015 Uber Blue (I've played several of each). Something has changed. The TJ is my second favorite with KT88s. Even though the TJ with KT88s sounds a bitt too compressed, a little nasally, and congested. It not as thick and massive sounding as the Blue or Rev #2 for example. The TJ was Reinhold's response for a tighter tracking, responding, and feeling Uber. He went after the Engl/Diezel demographic. But, you loose much of what the Uber was originally designed and marketed as.... and it's not the iconic sound. And no clean channel for intros... boo!!!

Get a new Blue or a used Blue as they sound best all around... they retain the iconic Uber sound, while still being tight enough to handle most any metal style w/o a boost and they sound great recorded too.

Starting to really like the sounds of a Rev blue here. As you know Wizard, I was considering (still am) a Mesa, but the Bogner is something I've been itching to try for just as long. I'm looking for something more forgiving, with more sag, and less immediacy (not as fast in the tracking I guess) as my Engls. Don't get me wrong, I love the Engls to death and they aren't going anywhere, but I'd like something equally as capable and evil sounding for playing the brutal stuff but with more sag, bounce, and forgiveness if that makes sense.

Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

No my friend, this is where your wrong The difficult part is making sure my wife doesn't cut my nuts off while I sleep dare I buy another piece of gear right now.

 

[Metal1977]

Thank you guys,
So which version is considered to be the BEST of the BEST? Twin Jet, Rev2, Blue? I have no clue..

Well IHMO... after owning 8 Ubers from the original thru the Twin Jet... I like the new 2016 Revision Blue best. It cuts, it's brighter, tighter, and still has massive low end thickness... which is why you buy an Uber in the 1st place. I also like the Blue best with EL34s... not KT88s or 6CA7s as some also use. And yes, the newest 2016 Blue sounds better and different then a 2015 Uber Blue (I've played several of each). Something has changed. The TJ is my second favorite with KT88s. Even though the TJ with KT88s sounds a bitt too compressed, a little nasally, and congested. It not as thick and massive sounding as the Blue or Rev #2 for example. The TJ was Reinhold's response for a tighter tracking, responding, and feeling Uber. He went after the Engl/Diezel demographic. But, you loose much of what the Uber was originally designed and marketed as.... and it's not the iconic sound. And no clean channel for intros... boo!!!

Get a new Blue or a used Blue as they sound best all around... they retain the iconic Uber sound, while still being tight enough to handle most any metal style w/o a boost and they sound great recorded too.

Starting to really like the sounds of a Rev blue here. As you know Wizard, I was considering (still am) a Mesa, but the Bogner is something I've been itching to try for just as long. I'm looking for something more forgiving, with more sag, and less immediacy (not as fast in the tracking I guess) as my Engls. Don't get me wrong, I love the Engls to death and they aren't going anywhere, but I'd like something equally as capable and evil sounding for playing the brutal stuff but with more sag, bounce, and forgiveness if that makes sense.

Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

No my friend, this is where your wrong The difficult part is making sure my wife doesn't cut my nuts off while I sleep dare I buy another piece of gear right now.

I understand you're situation, i've been in this situation many many times.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Maybe I had a lemon, but my Rev Blue was my least favorite Uber. Too bright and Marshall-y for my taste.

That's what I like most about the Blue... it's the tightest while still retaining the iconic Uber sound. I also vastly prefer EL34s as I have several Marshalls running EL34s... it's a perfect sound to me. Crunchy but with agressive cutting mids. You will also get some great lead tones from the Blue for the same reason.

The TJ is a cool amp... but I think it should have been its own thing, and not marketed as an Uber. Furthermore, for fast riffing with tight bottom end and chunk I'll take an Engl or Diezel as I prefer these amps for that sort of rhythm playing.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

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Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

My issues with the Rev #2 (of which I owned 2) is that is way too dark sounding and the gain pot on the lead channel is like a linear taper... almost zero to 10 with not enough sweep between. The dark voicing was the killer for me though. And I always needed a boost to get a useable tone. I'd take the TJ over the Rev #2, and a new Blue over either one.

 

[maddnotez]

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Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

My issues with the Rev #2 (of which I owned 2) is that is way too dark sounding and the gain pot on the lead channel is like a linear taper... almost zero to 10 with not enough sweep between. The dark voicing was the killer for me though. And I always needed a boost to get a useable tone. I'd take the TJ over the Rev #2, and a new Blue over either one.

With all due respect, what metal player actually gets a badass tone and does not use a boost in front?

Maybe a few amps here and there can do it but idk man, I typically boost everything and I never max out my gain on my amps, not even close. I do however get what you are saying regarding 0-10 on the gain taper.

I would also say you could get some different speakers for more mids but you like what you like. The Rev 2 and the CL100 are my favorite two amps that I have played.

 

[leib10]

Maybe I had a lemon, but my Rev Blue was my least favorite Uber. Too bright and Marshall-y for my taste.

Nice clips!

Rev 2 sounds quite a bit thicker with a lot more low end. Not sure if that's strictly because of the way you had it eq'd compared to the TJ?

I prefer a scooped sound, which is what you get by dialing back the presence knob. This also increases bass. Increasing presence decreases bass.

It doesn't matter because I always boost my amps with a Maxon OD 808, which makes the low end a lot more controllable.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

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Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

My issues with the Rev #2 (of which I owned 2) is that is way too dark sounding and the gain pot on the lead channel is like a linear taper... almost zero to 10 with not enough sweep between. The dark voicing was the killer for me though. And I always needed a boost to get a useable tone. I'd take the TJ over the Rev #2, and a new Blue over either one.

With all due respect, what metal player actually gets a badass tone and does not use a boost in front?

Maybe a few amps here and there can do it but idk man, I typically boost everything and I never max out my gain on my amps, not even close. I do however get what you are saying regarding 0-10 on the gain taper.

I would also say you could get some different speakers for more mids but you like what you like. The Rev 2 and the CL100 are my favorite two amps that I have played.

Most anyone using an Engl or Diezel for example. You don't need a boost like you do with a Recto for example. Spending more than $2k on amp that absolutely needs a boost, special pups, etc to sound great is insane.

YMMV.

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Maybe I had a lemon, but my Rev Blue was my least favorite Uber. Too bright and Marshall-y for my taste.

Nice clips!

Rev 2 sounds quite a bit thicker with a lot more low end. Not sure if that's strictly because of the way you had it eq'd compared to the TJ?

I prefer a scooped sound, which is what you get by dialing back the presence knob. This also increases bass. Increasing presence decreases bass.

It doesn't matter because I always boost my amps with a Maxon OD 808, which makes the low end a lot more controllable.

Me too. +100

I like the presence on the lead channel right around 9:00. Scooped mids = Metal.

I like to leave the boosted mids to the djenty kids with their skinny jeans and XS girlie tees.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

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Right there you are describing the Rev 2.

The Rev 2 is what you want. Now, the difficult part is to find one.

Chris

My issues with the Rev #2 (of which I owned 2) is that is way too dark sounding and the gain pot on the lead channel is like a linear taper... almost zero to 10 with not enough sweep between. The dark voicing was the killer for me though. And I always needed a boost to get a useable tone. I'd take the TJ over the Rev #2, and a new Blue over either one.

With all due respect, what metal player actually gets a badass tone and does not use a boost in front?

Maybe a few amps here and there can do it but idk man, I typically boost everything and I never max out my gain on my amps, not even close. I do however get what you are saying regarding 0-10 on the gain taper.

I would also say you could get some different speakers for more mids but you like what you like. The Rev 2 and the CL100 are my favorite two amps that I have played.

Most anyone using an Engl or Diezel for example. You don't need a boost like you do with a Recto for example. Spending more than $2k on amp that absolutely needs a boost, special pups, etc to sound great is insane.

YMMV.

This is where I disagree with you my good sir. If I buy a high dollar amp and need to boost it and have to spend some dough on the right pups, I'm fine with that. Whatever it takes for me to achieve the tone/feel I'm after. I haven't owned near the amps that you have, or most of the guys on hear for that matter, but from the amps I've owned and the many others I've played with my cab/guitars/OD, etc, I found that almost all needed to be hit up front with a clean boost for my taste.

I agree with maddnotez in that there are exceptions. The only exception I've run across so far is the Savage. Its actually perfect w/out a boost for me.

There's no right or wrong though;we just all have different tastes

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Maybe I had a lemon, but my Rev Blue was my least favorite Uber. Too bright and Marshall-y for my taste.

Nice clips!

Rev 2 sounds quite a bit thicker with a lot more low end. Not sure if that's strictly because of the way you had it eq'd compared to the TJ?

I prefer a scooped sound, which is what you get by dialing back the presence knob. This also increases bass. Increasing presence decreases bass.

It doesn't matter because I always boost my amps with a Maxon OD 808, which makes the low end a lot more controllable.

Me too. +100

I like the presence on the lead channel right around 9:00. Scooped mids = Metal.

I like to leave the boosted mids to the djenty kids with their skinny jeans and XS girlie tees.

^^^
I pile on the mids, but I don't wear jeans, I'm no kid, and I don't Djent.

 

[the4thlast1]

I agree , pretty much every single amp ever made benefits greatly from a TubeScreamer pedal in front. Volume up , Gain down on the settings and you're good to go. Maybe a couple of the ENGL amps don't need it but other than that its a must have for me. Always on !

 

[the4thlast1]

You guys have me wanting to try a 2016 Uber .... snake oil ? Smoke and mirrors ? Or has there really been a circuit tweak , anyone know for sure ?

 

[maddnotez]

You guys have me wanting to try a 2016 Uber .... snake oil ? Smoke and mirrors ? Or has there really been a circuit tweak , anyone know for sure ?

Idk I can tag Reinhold on FB but he probably wont reply

I hate djent and I love mids

I used to scoop my mids when I was a kid, before I knew was tone was

Jkjk like Mike said, different strokes. My first tube amp was a Peavey 6505+ and I had no idea what I was doing regarding gear. My second tube amp was a 100CL. That was also about the same time I became a forum nerd and started trying different things like boosting the mids and NOT maxing out the gain based on reading what alot of the guys were doing for their setup.

Personally, I can say I have benefited greatly from mids and from trying different things. Each amp will be different I am sure. The 100CL I had LOVED the mids. I kept it around 75% all the time and sometimes maxed out

With my Rev 2 I keep the mids right around 11:30 (O'Clock) but I use the koko boost mid side. It really depends on the cab and guitar too though. I did not like the mids cranked on the Rev 2 because the controls on that amp are just so different than anything else.

Like others have mentioned the presence actually controls the bass too. Weird amp for sure regarding the knobs. Most of them IMO can actually create a different voice. I can definitely see how scooping the mids would be ok and very useable on a Rev 2 depending on the other settings.

But on some other amps like the 6505+ I had for example, scooping the mids was basically like scooping away all of your tone to me.

 

[MetalHeadMike]

The amps I own(ed) that I felt I absolutely needed a clean boost up front (Clean boost for me=TS9>drive@0, level@ 9 o'clock, tone@taste

Peavey Triple XXX II
Engl Blackmore
EVH 100 watt
EVH 50 watt
Diezel Herbert (One I had sounded like a fart through a 2$ hooker that had one too many up her ass) Once clean boosted however, it sounded tight, crushing and brutal.
Engl FB100 (I can play it without a boost for death metal stuff when the master is cranked, but for thrash or lower volumes I absolutely need to boost it.)

The amps I've played a handful of times with my cab/guitars that needed a boost:

Peavey 6505
Peavey 6505+
Peavey 6534+
Egnator Armageddon
Various Orange amps (can't remember models as none of them really grabbed me)
Marshall 210h
Marshall 410h
Marshall 2203
Engl Ironball
Engl Artist Edition

Amps I've owned or played that required no boost for tightening the low end or adding attack:

Engl Savage 120

Surely there are more out there that don't need a boost though. Plan on testing those waters once I'm back to work here soon.