Cabinet for EVH 5150 III Stealth 100W

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They ARE pushing the limit here, and he's right to call that out. Yes, there's some margin in Celestion's rating. But you just know if Celestion could have honestly called it a 25w speaker they would have for this very reason - their customers were going to want to make 100w cabs. There is not some engineering magic at Fender HQ that increases the power handling of the speakers. There's just marketing deciding to add 5w because it comes out round.

We're all big boys here, presumably with big boy wallets to match. If you want to buy a slightly underpowered cab, then you just have to pay up if and when a speaker blows. Nothing wrong with that. It's sort of like tires on a sports car - they're a wear item, suck it up. Conversely if you want a cab with more power handling, either with or without the 12M sound, there's options. Personally I like the 12M sound but I'm not going to buy a 100w head only to run it through 96dBSPL/1w/1m speakers. I want the big venue firepower if I need it. So I use V30s or other options and that's what I would recommend. Marshall never really trusted 2xGB with a 50w or 4xGB with a 100w, and I think they were right not to.

If you keep your stage volume in the 100-105dB or below range, they'll be perfectly safe.

I consistently ran through one at 112-117 dbs with no issues for years. I am not saying you can't have issues. But if i like a sound, i am not afraid of buying a replacement speaker.

 

[japetus]

They serve white sauce down here in Alabama. Take a BBQ sauce base and switch it to mayo. Yes, it's ok to vomit.

I have had it. I like it on chicken

 

[SonVolt]

How's the white sauce go with the pale hotdog? Asking for a friend....

Goes great at @Detroit1973's adult's only Meat-up.

 

[The~Kid]

so effectively you know more about cabs/heads/wattage/voltage than say the entire Fender Engineering team including James Brown & Howard Kaplan?

They ARE pushing the limit here, and he's right to call that out. Yes, there's some margin in Celestion's rating. But you just know if Celestion could have honestly called it a 25w speaker they would have for this very reason - their customers were going to want to make 100w cabs. There is not some engineering magic at Fender HQ that increases the power handling of the speakers. There's just marketing deciding to add 5w because it comes out round.

We're all big boys here, presumably with big boy wallets to match. If you want to buy a slightly underpowered cab, then you just have to pay up if and when a speaker blows. Nothing wrong with that. It's sort of like tires on a sports car - they're a wear item, suck it up. Conversely if you want a cab with more power handling, either with or without the 12M sound, there's options. Personally I like the 12M sound but I'm not going to buy a 100w head only to run it through 96dBSPL/1w/1m speakers. I want the big venue firepower if I need it. So I use V30s or other options and that's what I would recommend. Marshall never really trusted 2xGB with a 50w or 4xGB with a 100w, and I think they were right not to.

If you keep your stage volume in the 100-105dB or below range, they'll be perfectly safe.

I mean aside from everything it's just a word of caution and something to consider.


If you know what you're doing youre fine and for a vet but for those not comfortable or just who don't want to live on the edge with the risk of damaging them or the amp or having to replace blown speakers there are other options.


Not a bad cab in either case and I think they are great and built excellent.


But yeah all in all its just common sense to be aware of your power handling and risk involved.

 

[The~Kid]

I consistently ran through one at 112-117 dbs with no issues for years. I am not saying you can't have issues. But if i like a sound, i am not afraid of buying a replacement speaker.

I pushed a 212 60 watt EVH cab with a 50 Watt head..... Fucking amazing sound really pushing the speakers to the edge.

Got a couple heads turning too...... I may get the cab but I'm happy with the 212 V30 cab I have and appreciate it the extra head room in my Bad Cat 212 Cab.


There is something to running speakers to the brink and lower wattage speakers though and I can see why people dig it. I love Greenbacks but I'm only pushing a 412 with a 50 watt amp.

 

[The~Kid]

This thread...... And magical speakers, magical power ratings and magical power handling......

 

[valve]

It's possible. I'm 53 years old & this thread reminds me of my first "Adults only BBQ" My wife & I were invited to YEARS ago. There was a guy at the BBQ that was so insistent in something he was saying about a local sports team that when news came across his Iphone completely destroying his whole talking point, he refused to acknowledge it & left the party immediately.

well the very last part is exactly what differs and is the problem here

 

[The~Kid]

Here’s a photo of Eddie Van Halen EVH Steath 5150 III from the 2015 tour look at where the volume is set it’s under half way

Good stuff *_*


Even he didn't go past noon, at that point your really going to push them to the limit.

 

[311boogieman]

I consistently ran through one at 112-117 dbs with no issues for years. I am not saying you can't have issues. But if i like a sound, i am not afraid of buying a replacement speaker.

Its just annoying when she can't stop

She doesn't know when to stop. She just repeats herself over and over an over again. And she does it in just about every thread. It is annoying. I wish she would go back to The Gear Page and leave us alone. She said in Post #3 that she wouldn't recommend the matching cabinet in question because it is under powered. If she repeats herself AGAIN, I'm going to teleport myself to Napoleon Pizza or In and Out Burger and wait for her to show up so I can explain this in way that might make better sense to her. Enough with the BS and magic power crap.

FFS Kid just STFU already

 

[SonVolt]

There's a girl here?

 

[The~Kid]

Its just annoying when she can't stop

She doesn't know when to stop. She just repeats herself over and over an over again. And she does it in just about every thread. It is annoying. I wish she would go back to The Gear Page and leave us alone. She said in Post #3 that she wouldn't recommend the matching cabinet in question because it is under powered. If she repeats herself AGAIN, I'm going to teleport myself to Napoleon Pizza or In and Out Burger and wait for her to show up so I can explain this in way that might make better sense to her. Enough with the BS and magic power crap.

FFS Kid just STFU alreadymors ain't fact......

The advice here is to simply be aware of the power handling you need and be aware of the risk when you aren't using the right amount, what's the problem with that.


Rumors aren't facts.....

Internet Myths/Forum Myths arent facts.....


Magical Power Ratings/Power Handling aren't facts.


These are facts and the fact is it's not a bad thing for someone to simply tell players to be aware of the risk and take care of their rig/gear and that shouldnt bother you or anyone.....


Per Celestions own pdf files and no rumors or myths. Facts.


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[MadAsAHatter]

My bad for simply telling players, not sure what the problem is doing so......

We've been over this. The problem is you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about and giving people shitty uninformed info.
So just shut the fuck up already. You're not helping.

 

[The~Kid]

We've been over this. The problem is you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about and giving people shitty uninformed info.
So just shut the fuck up already. You're not helping.

I'm not here giving misinformed info or info based on myth and rumor.... Even others such as Rackman have said it makes sense to be aware of this for said reasons.


No offense to you or disrespect to you or others who think so and there is no need to be upset for simply telling folks to be careful and safe with their amps and rig




Be mindful of the wattage youre using and fundamentals and basics. Why so upset over that and what's the problem with that.....

 

[Lightning]

When Eddie used a variac on his Marshall plexi the lowest he went on a variac was 65 volts that 100 watt plexi wasn’t 100 watts anymore

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I have heard of this phenomenon. In the south, bbq doesnt mean everytime you cook on a grill

Yes, there is a clear distinction between BBQing and grilling. BBQ involves sauce.

 

[SonVolt]

BBQ involves sauce.

 

[DanTravis62]

If you keep your stage volume in the 100-105dB or below range, they'll be perfectly safe.

The problem is in the OP, dude said he only plays at home, which is why everyone is ripping the Pizzeria Masterchef a new asshole about it.

There's no universe in which the OP is running his amps that loud, night after night, that would necessitate worrying about low wattage handling speakers as if he were the one dumbass on earth who absolutely fucking cranked his high gain amp on purpose to turn it to shitty mush.

He's obviously only a home player, which is why no, the low power handling of the god damn matching cabinet for his head is not something to worry about

 

[The~Kid]

The problem is in the OP, dude said he only plays at home, which is why everyone is ripping the Pizzeria Masterchef a new asshole about it.

There's no universe in which the OP is running his amps that loud, night after night, that would necessitate worrying about low wattage handling speakers as if he were the one dumbass on earth who absolutely fucking cranked his high gain amp on purpose to turn it to shitty mush.

He's obviously only a home player, which is why no, the low power handling of the god damn matching cabinet for his head is not something to worry about

Well obviously for others who aren't or considering one......

Or decide to dime their amps with these or not it could be an issue or cause problems for equipment.


My apologies for simply bringing up the dangers of not using the right power handling...... These are just basics and fundamentals that sometimes are taken for granted.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

I pushed a 212 60 watt EVH cab with a 50 Watt head..... Fucking amazing sound really pushing the speakers to the edge.

So first you're going on and on and on about you're more cautious with your gear and make sure your speakers have more than enough power handling. Now you're here bragging about pushing them to their limits. This is why everyone calls you out on being full of shit and not knowing what you're talking about. All you do is repeat what you heard idiots on TGP say.

Got a couple heads turning too......

I'm sure you did turn heads. People were trying to figure out where that god-awful noise you were making with the microcube was coming from.

 

[DanTravis62]

Well obviously for others who aren't or considering one......

Or decide to dime their amps with these not it could be an issue or cause problems for equipment.


My apologies for simply bringing up the dangers of not using the right power handling...... These are just basics and fundamentals that sometimes are taken for granted.

If someone started a thread that was "i'm a gigging player, and I run an absolutely cranked marshall major for power amp saturation for my bands signature sound, I'm thinking about loading a 2x12 with two 12 watt jensen P12Rs"

Then your comment would have made all the sense in the world

The problem is that is not the question that the OP asked