Cabinet for EVH 5150 III Stealth 100W

[The~Kid]

You keep denying science/logic/reason/maths. Fender's official legally binding documents says it is 100 watts and 100/4=25. I guess if you are using Neil DeAss Tyson wokemerican maths then 100/4=80 but that does against science/logic/reason/maths and the warranty covers 100 watts of four 25 watt speakers.

jeez...... what a bozo who can't understand basic science and maths.

You aren't using maths and it's all just logical fallacies.....

It ain't benign and rather harmful in the sense that it may misinform someone into believing these are 25 watt speakers when the official rating is 20 watts, blow their speaker(s) and void their warranty


I mean it's just a slippery slope......

Say you take advice based on informal statements as such, logical fallacies and other BS vs official documents provided by Celestion/EVH/Fender....... Run a 25 watt amp into a 20 watt speaker and blow it. Youre fucked and warranty is voided as they rate it to be a 20 watt speaker.


Same thing with a 212..... You only got 40 watts with two of these and run a 50 watt amp into it.... You blow them.... Youre fucked and shit out of luck with voided warranty....


It just makes sense to go based off the spec sheet, manual and manufacturers official documents and ratings for the rig, gear and safety IMO and IME.

 

[Floyd Eye]

You aren't using maths and it's all just logical fallacies.....

It ain't benign and rather harmful in the sense that it may misinform someone into believing these are 25 watt speakers when the official rating is 20 watts, blow their speaker(s) and void their warranty


I mean it's just a slippery slope......

Say you take advice based on informal statements as such, logical fallacies and other BS vs official documents provided by Celestion/EVH/Fender....... Run a 25 watt amp into a 20 watt speaker and blow it. Youre fucked and warranty is voided as they say rate it to be a 20 watt speaker.


Same thing with a 212..... You only got 40 watts with two of these and run a 50 watt amp into it.... You blow them.... Youre fucked and shit out of luck with voided warranty....


It just makes sense to go based off the spec sheet, manual and manufacturers official documents and ratings for the rig, gear and safety IMO and IME.

How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that the warranty is for a 100 watt cab ? The power handling rating for that cab is 100 watts.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

You aren't using maths and it's all just logical fallacies.....

It ain't benign and rather harmful in the sense that it may misinform someone into believing these are 25 watt speakers when the official rating is 20 watts, blow their speaker(s) and void their warranty


I mean it's just a slippery slope......

Say you take advice based on informal statements as such, logical fallacies and other BS vs official documents provided by Celestion/EVH/Fender....... Run a 25 watt amp into a 20 watt speaker and blow it. Youre fucked and warranty is voided as they say rate it to be a 20 watt speaker.


Same thing with a 212..... You only got 40 watts with two of these and run a 50 watt amp into it.... You blow them.... Youre fucked and shit out of luck with voided warranty....


It just makes sense to go based off the spec sheet, manual and manufacturers official documents and ratings for the rig, gear and safety IMO and IME.

You keep denying basic science/logic/reason/maths with woke Neil DeAss Tyson maths that go against real maths that says 25x4=100 and that is a fact of the maths. No informal statement email expert can deny the warranty covers 100 watts and if you have three 50 watt amps they do not go into a 20 watt speaker. Only official legal documents and a warranty can say that 50 watts go into 25 watt speakers not a 20 watt speaker and woke Neil DeAss Tyson maths won't change that.





I projected 100/4=25 before all the experts and your just jealous that my projections beat the experts every time and all you can do is say things after the fact that anyone can do. I projected the manual and manufacturers would be 25x4=100 and the speaker cab warranty manual said so. But hey what do I know I just beat the experts but I'm no expert on experts.






I use basic science/logic/reason/maths to beat the experts to say 100/4=25 that is covered by many warranties and there are thousands of official legal documents and white pages and spec sheets that say I beat the experts.




But NVM any of that what do I know I use basic science/logic/reason/maths.

 

[IndyWS6]

JFC - 53 pages of utter nonsense. Buy an EVH 100W head, buy the accompanying 100W cabinet. Plug it in. Crank it the fuck up and enjoy the gloriousness. Blow a speaker or don't (you won't). If you're playing arenas and can't afford to replace a speaker every now and then, play through your Microcube (tonez for dayz...) at the delivery counter.

For Context, I played through a Mesa Simul 2:90 into a Mesa cab with V30's with my rack rig for a couple of years. We played with stupid stage volume because no one around here ever told us to turn down. I don't think the speakers ever broke a sweat. Is it good to be aware of the power rating for your cab vs. the amp you're pushing it with? Sure. But EVERYONE knows that. We don't need a Domino's delivery driver to cascade that knowledge to us (Christ...).

Long story short, and quoting Smash, @Kid - Shut the fuck up. You seem like the type that can relate to Disney, so Let it Go...

 

[MadAsAHatter]

We were comparing https://celestion.com/product/g12m-greenback/ vs https://celestion.com/product/g12-evh/ right?

You definitely walked into the middle of a movie and don't know what's playing.

We're not comparing those two speakers. In fact we're not comparing speakers at all. The crux of it is the amount of power handling the G12-EVH speaker has.

The only source that say's it's 20 watts is Celestions's website. This is Kid's harping point that he's willing to die on. Apparently this is your stance as well based on Canadian consumer safety laws.

Fender's website says the 412 G12-EVH loaded cab handles 100 watts (25 watts per speaker). Numerous industry sources and those with hands on experience with these speakers; including multiple Celestion & Fender representatives and Jim from Scumback, have all stated numerous times that the watts on Celestion's website is for marketing and historical purposes only. They all state the speaker's power handling rating is actually 25 watts. All other sources available also state the same. This is everyone else's point and Kid refuses to acknowledge Industry expert's statements.

 

[311boogieman]

Are you guys still arguing about this?

The G12M EVH speakers used in the EVH 4x12 are 25 watts each. Period. Always have been.

The-Kid is wrong. Always has been.

Email from Celestion




Email from Nathan at Fender




Facebook message from Jim Seavall at Scumback





So I'm taking the word from @MetalHeadMike, Dr. Decibel at Celestion, Nathan at Fender, Jim at Scumback, and then all the other sources over @The-Kid.

@The-Kid got this thread sideways on Post #3 by telling @Thrane the OP that running the EVH 4x12 was not safe

To The-Kid,

Please read these 3 communications again. Real slow please and report back as to what you learned.

Is it logical to you that these modern Greenbacks are 25 watts? They don't use the thinner paper and cheaper adhesives like they did in the 60s. Make sense?

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

You definitely walked into the middle of a movie and don't know what's playing.

We're not comparing those two speakers. In fact we're not comparing speakers at all. The crux of it is the amount of power handling the G12-EVH speaker has.

The only source that say's it's 20 watts is Celestions's website. This is Kid's harping point that he's willing to die on. Apparently this is your stance as well based on Canadian consumer safety laws.

Fender's website says the 412 G12-EVH loaded cab handles 100 watts (25 watts per speaker). Numerous industry sources and those with hands on experience with these speakers; including multiple Celestion & Fender representatives and Jim from Scumback, have all stated numerous times that the watts on Celestion's website is for marketing and historical purposes only. They all state the speaker's power handling rating is actually 25 watts. All other sources available also state the same. This is everyone else's point and Kid refuses to acknowledge Industry expert's statements.

The kid knows he is wrong about the rating. He tried to save face and say he was concerned about safety. He foolishly exposed his lack of knowledge by referring to amp safety as protecting the transistor, which while amusing is pretty sad.

At this point since no one left him a way out to save face, he has stopped trying to actually win the argument he had no chance winning and has moved to pretending he was trolling the whole time. It is sad really, but maybe it makes him feel good.

I really think we should let him have it. He makes pizzas for a living. He is obviously working against some type of mental deficiency. We have seen clips of his playing and know that he has no talent as a guitarist. We also can see he has bitch tits.

I don't really understand what it is like to be pathetic, but I can just watch the kid operate to get an idea

 

[311boogieman]

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[CDawg]

You definitely walked into the middle of a movie and don't know what's playing.

We're not comparing those two speakers. In fact we're not comparing speakers at all. The crux of it is the amount of power handling the G12-EVH speaker has.

The only source that say's it's 20 watts is Celestions's website. This is Kid's harping point that he's willing to die on. Apparently this is your stance as well based on Canadian consumer safety laws.

Fender's website says the 412 G12-EVH loaded cab handles 100 watts (25 watts per speaker). Numerous industry sources and those with hands on experience with these speakers; including multiple Celestion & Fender representatives and Jim from Scumback, have all stated numerous times that the watts on Celestion's website is for marketing and historical purposes only. They all state the speaker's power handling rating is actually 25 watts. All other sources available also state the same. This is everyone else's point and Kid refuses to acknowledge Industry expert's statements.

I thought everybody was talking about two different speakers. That makes sense now.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

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Yes. She may also be on her period

 

[The~Kid]

You definitely walked into the middle of a movie and don't know what's playing.

We're not comparing those two speakers. In fact we're not comparing speakers at all. The crux of it is the amount of power handling the G12-EVH speaker has.

The only source that say's it's 20 watts is Celestions's website. This is Kid's harping point that he's willing to die on. Apparently this is your stance as well based on Canadian consumer safety laws.

Fender's website says the 412 G12-EVH loaded cab handles 100 watts (25 watts per speaker). Numerous industry sources and those with hands on experience with these speakers; including multiple Celestion & Fender representatives and Jim from Scumback, have all stated numerous times that the watts on Celestion's website is for marketing and historical purposes only. They all state the speaker's power handling rating is actually 25 watts. All other sources available also state the same. This is everyone else's point and Kid refuses to acknowledge Industry expert's statements.

More BS and again pure misinformation based on informal statements and nothing on EVHs website says these are 25 watt speakers.....


This is a lie by you pure and simple and the official ratings are 20 watts.


Anyone can go to Fenders/EVH website and see on their site these are listed as a 20 watt speaker and so does Celestions site and this is a bold faced lie.

 

[311boogieman]

It ain't benign and rather harmful in the sense that it may misinform someone

You got that part right.

 

[The~Kid]

You keep denying basic science/logic/reason/maths with woke Neil DeAss Tyson maths that go against real maths that says 25x4=100 and that is a fact of the maths. No informal statement email expert can deny the warranty covers 100 watts and if you have three 50 watt amps they do not go into a 20 watt speaker. Only official legal documents and a warranty can say that 50 watts go into 25 watt speakers not a 20 watt speaker and woke Neil DeAss Tyson maths won't change that.





I projected 100/4=25 before all the experts and your just jealous that my projections beat the experts every time and all you can do is say things after the fact that anyone can do. I projected the manual and manufacturers would be 25x4=100 and the speaker cab warranty manual said so. But hey what do I know I just beat the experts but I'm no expert on experts.






I use basic science/logic/reason/maths to beat the experts to say 100/4=25 that is covered by many warranties and there are thousands of official legal documents and white pages and spec sheets that say I beat the experts.




But NVM any of that what do I know I use basic science/logic/reason/maths.

Nvm logical fallacies here that aren't math or whatever other BS you decide to say here.....


Anyone following your logic based on informal statements and Internet/Forum myth and rumor purchasing an EVH speaker after market risk voiding warranty expecting 25 watts when it's officially rated at 20 watts.....


Not sure how many folks are keen on blowing speakers and voiding warranty and talk about harmful.

 

[The~Kid]

Yes. She may also be on her period

You and 311 on their periods I see

 

[The~Kid]

I thought everybody was talking about two different speakers. That makes sense now.

They are different speakers EVH and Heritage but both 20 watts.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

You are always right. I worship you and 311

It is too late for flattery, suzie

 

[The~Kid]

It is too late for flattery, suzie

Magic Smash XXXL RT Edition

 

[311boogieman]

You and 311 on their periods I see

They used thinner wire back then too.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

More BS and again pure misinformation based on informal statements and nothing on EVHs website says these are 25 watt speakers.....


This is a lie by you pure and simple and the official ratings are 20 watts.


Anyone can go to Fenders/EVH website and see on their site these are listed as a 20 watt speaker and so does Celestions sight and this is a bold face lie.

I'm sorry; not sorry, you can't come to terms how wrong and completely retarded you are.
Like @S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑ said, I can't understand what it's like to be as pathetic and dumb as you, but watching you here gives me a decent idea.

 

[VonBonfire]

Somebody mentioned EV's being better than Celestions. I support that remark. We need sharvell dan here to tell us nobody needs p.a speakers for guitar next.