Dual recto Ri vs OG

[shar-vell Dan]

What goes up must come down.
Gravity is real.

 

[311boogieman]

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https://reverb.com/p/mesa-boogie-du...-2-channel-100-watt-guitar-amp-head-1992-2000

What's your point? All the prices listed in your reverb link are jacked. Except the one wired for Japanese power

The DR/TR RI will be interesting for sure. Remember when the 2C+ RI came out there was the same basic question. Then the 'swirling' complaint. Turns out they are fine. I guess I got lucky as I got my Rev G before all this nonsense. Is the DR RI worth $3,300? Serious question.

 

[bugsy5150]

If the RI’s had been priced accordingly ($2600 imho) I believe it may have lowered the selling price on the OG’s!!

Just my 2 cents!! Which isn’t worth Jack shit!!

 

[Racerxrated]

What's your point? All the prices listed in your reverb link are jacked. Except the one wired for Japanese power

The DR/TR RI will be interesting for sure. Remember when the 2C+ RI came out there was the same basic question. Then the 'swirling' complaint. Turns out they are fine. I guess I got lucky as I got my Rev G before all this nonsense. Is the DR RI worth $3,300? Serious question.

It really depends on WHAT Recto tone you are after. If, for example you are after Soundgarden Superunknown tone, a T Verb or regular G Dual will get you there. But, if you are someone who's played/heard an F and find that tone to be way better than a G, then the RI is the one to get. It not only gets you into F territory, it can be dialed brighter and tighter to C territory.
The difference though, between a G and C is huge in my experience...like 2 totally different amps. The G is the sound of most of the 'Wall of sound 90s'...while the earlier revisions are more 'Dogman' to my ears. And, since Dogman was a 93 release it clearly was an F or earlier version.

I think the true Recto dude is going to want a G, and a RI to cover almost any Recto tone.

 

[DanTravis62]

inflation has been going too crazy for too long for the used prices to go down.

 

[311boogieman]

It really depends on WHAT Recto tone you are after. If, for example you are after Soundgarden Superunknown tone, a T Verb or regular G Dual will get you there. But, if you are someone who's played/heard an F and find that tone to be way better than a G, then the RI is the one to get. It not only gets you into F territory, it can be dialed brighter and tighter to C territory.
The difference though, between a G and C is huge in my experience...like 2 totally different amps. The G is the sound of most of the 'Wall of sound 90s'...while the earlier revisions are more 'Dogman' to my ears. And, since Dogman was a 93 release it clearly was an F or earlier version.

I think the true Recto dude is going to want a G, and a RI to cover almost any Recto tone.

Can't wait to try one so I don't have to talk out of my dick

 

[Racerxrated]

Can't wait to try one so I don't have to talk out of my dick

Since you C modded yours, you already have a taste of what a real C can do...I predict you'll really dig the RI.

 

[fantom]

THIS! The RI is incredible. Tight and growly.

If it's tight, it is nothing like a 90s rectifier. The rev G was not tight until boosted. Same goes for the clean channel. The 90s clean channel was anything but clean.

That said, IMO the RI has my favorite tone of any Recto and the best feels of any Recto other than the early Rev C I had, where they were pretty similar. Now that I've gigged them all I'd have a hard time paying for a not-RI unless I found a smokin' deal. I'll let the collectors have them.

Just curious if you tried the Synergy DRect. To me, it sounds like a slightly more refined rev G. It was supposedly based on the rev C. Would be much cheaper than either a 30 year old head or a new RI.

 

[mnemonic]

People who want the original old thing are still gonna want the original old thing. If anything the existence of the reissue brings more awareness to the old thing being different in some way to the modern models. I’ll bet the average normie guitarist didn’t know there are different recto revisions before the reissue.

Look at the endless options for strats and Les Paul’s, yet the older they are the more expensive they are.

 

[shar-vell Dan]

If the RI’s had been priced accordingly ($2600 imho) I believe it may have lowered the selling price on the OG’s!!

Just my 2 cents!! Which isn’t worth Jack shit!!

That would be $3K w/ tax & shipping. $3000 is plenty.

 

[Racerxrated]

If it's tight, it is nothing like a 90s rectifier. The rev G was not tight until boosted. Same goes for the clean channel. The 90s clean channel was anything but clean.


Just curious if you tried the Synergy DRect. To me, it sounds like a slightly more refined rev G. It was supposedly based on the rev C. Would be much cheaper than either a 30 year old head or a new RI.

That solely depends on WHICH 90s rectifier you are playing. The early ones, from C-F, are definitely tighter...by a long shot...than any G. Especially the Triples...The G triple is way tighter than a G dual. F triples on another level yet.

 

[anomaly]

The difference though, is these Gibson/Mesa reissues are on par with the originals....and, in some cases even better. The midrange in both the C+ and Recto RI is in a much better spot....these amps can actually cut live without a boost. Every time I gigged with one of my C+s, even with an upper mid flavor boost pedal it still struggled to cut. Back to my Marshalls I went.

I've never really had a problem cutting against a Marshall with my old Mark III and IV so I call user error on that. It's been years since I was in a band though. Too much low end will cover your mid range, as well as too much saturation. I find it's best not to use the pull bright in a band as well, gives the tone more definition if it's pushed in, like a low pass filter of sorts. I do agree that the old IIC+ gain structure might be too smooth to cut well against some Marshall's though, especially at higher gain settings.

 

[ZEN Amps]

People who want the original old thing are still gonna want the original old thing. If anything the existence of the reissue brings more awareness to the old thing being different in some way to the modern models. I’ll bet the average normie guitarist didn’t know there are different recto revisions before the reissue.

Look at the endless options for strats and Les Paul’s, yet the older they are the more expensive they are.

+1.

There is a long, long history of this. Here are some items 'reissued' items in recent decades that have done anything but drive the price of the OG's down.

- most Gibsons
- most Fenders
- most Marshalls
- most Fender amps
- most Mesas
- all Celestions

The quality or authenticity of the reissue doesn't seem to be much of a factor in this argument - people just want cool old shit.

 

[311boogieman]

+1.

There is a long, long history of this. Here are some items 'reissued' items in recent decades that have done anything but drive the price of the OG's down.

- most Gibsons
- most Fenders
- most Marshalls
- most Fenders
- most Mesas
- all Celestions

The quality or authenticity of the reissue doesn't seem to be much of a factor in this argument - people just want cool old shit.

This is pretty solid. Another thought/variable would/should be how many of the new model is made

Did the EVH/Fender 5153s hurt the used Peavy 5150/6505 brand?

PS: ^You have 2 - Fenders up there. Maybe change one to EVH 5153 if you agree. Point being, there were a shit ton of those made, in many different forms, and were largely successful.

 

[Nigel]

What's the stock tube complement in the RI DR? JJ ECC83's and 6L6GC's?

 

[Eazy-ESP]

People will always obsess over and hype specific years of gear. (Usually the ones they personally own.) Sometimes with merit, sometimes with BS. New stuff won’t impact those chasing the dragon.

 

[GJgo]

If it's tight, it is nothing like a 90s rectifier. The rev G was not tight until boosted. Same goes for the clean channel. The 90s clean channel was anything but clean.

Just curious if you tried the Synergy DRect. To me, it sounds like a slightly more refined rev G. It was supposedly based on the rev C. Would be much cheaper than either a 30 year old head or a new RI.

Sorry, I have not tried anything Synergy.

 

[GJgo]

That would be $3K w/ tax & shipping. $3000 is plenty.

Agreed. The DR RI is 100% the right amp at the wrong retail price point. That said, there's no way I'd pay more than the RI price for any Recto now.

 

[GJgo]

I've never really had a problem cutting against a Marshall with my old Mark III and IV so I call user error on that. It's been years since I was in a band though. Too much low end will cover your mid range, as well as too much saturation. I find it's best not to use the pull bright in a band as well, gives the tone more definition if it's pushed in, like a low pass filter of sorts. I do agree that the old IIC+ gain structure might be too smooth to cut well against some Marshall's though, especially at higher gain settings.

The smoothness of an OG C+ is where it goes to die in a live mix. In addition to the improved mids, the HRG RI is also not quite as smooth and the result is a C+ that sits very well live.

 

[GJgo]

What's the stock tube complement in the RI DR? JJ ECC83's and 6L6GC's?

My DR RI & HRG RI are all Mesa JJs.