Mesa Boogie JPC2million

[lespaul6]

Should have bought a 5150 III......... Am I doing it right?

50 watt. It has to be a 5150 III 50 watt.

 

[journeyman73]

I cant believe this is still a debate! There are a few guys over @ the Boogie board who have also confirmed the loop is funky and have already confirmed with the guys at Mesa there is a fix coming. That bit about "integrity of the circuit" was more than likely pr talk till they decided what/how/when they are going to address it. None of the Boogies I own and have owned in the past have had loop issues like this..{but..but..the settings!! ). Why is it so many people are quick to bash other users and not the actual amp itself? This seems like its a common trend lately and that blows. I even mentioned in the other thread that Superunknown seemed pretty knowledgeable but if it was user error then he made a mistake. It seems it is a very real issue and a fix on the way. Way too many uptight people.....

exactly. and what 'integrity' of the circuit. its not like a nuts on plexi replica, its already altered to address things that were never an issue (other than providing 'too much' user flexibility)....but they dont address it for an actual shortcoming?

 

[Mr. Willy]

Wow. Can't we all just get along? This one got weird fast...

life. not everyone gets along, and not everyone is going to like everyone else. it is what it is. thats why you can block people here and never worry about it.

Reza, I dig your playing. I dig the demos you do. I think you have a wealth of knowledge about amps that's extremely useful for forums like this. I think your band rocks hard. That being said, you really do come across as a major dick in a lot of your posts. I'll bet you're really cool in real life and not at all like the smart ass you can be here. I'm just saying man. It doesn't hurt to be nice. I bet it's an LA thing.

Hey man, sorry if I have come off like a dick. Never my intention.
Sometimes things written in text can be read with bias. I'm sure I am guilty of pushing a personality on someone that really isn't that way.
I will try and be more chill.
For the record though, I was pretty fired up that people were attacking Superuknown.
He was only bringing the true knowledge of a problem with the amp to our group here and was getting bashed for it.
I got a little fired up about that.

That's cool man. You have a lot of knowledge and experience to offer here. I appreciate that you're willing to kinda chill a bit. I think in general we could all do that a bit.

 

[Mailman1971]

I remember superunknown band opened for motley crue or kiss few years back. Maybe he can chime in?
Pretty sure it was him.
My memory is slipping these days.

 

[lespaul6]

This was just posted on tgp as an official response from Mesa on the issue:


Yes , we are aware .
This ONLY happens IF a DELAY is plugged into the Loop AND you are playing at low volume , if you playing at normal volume never going to be an issue.
Yes we will have an optional MOD for this , it is a discretionary MOD based on if you will be subject to that scenario I described above .
We just found out about this and will have a bulletin going out in the next 24 hours with the update . Which involves a new Matser POT on the clean channel.

 

[VC4Ever]

This was just posted on tgp as an official response from Mesa on the issue:


Yes , we are aware .
This ONLY happens IF a DELAY is plugged into the Loop AND you are playing at low volume , if you playing at normal volume never going to be an issue.
Yes we will have an optional MOD for this , it is a discretionary MOD based on if you will be subject to that scenario I described above .
We just found out about this and will have a bulletin going out in the next 24 hours with the update . Which involves a new Matser POT on the clean channel.

Thanks for this info. It will be a non issue for me and yes I will be getting one without the mod. Screw the delay.

 

[VC4Ever]

And this also proves what I was talking about. Has to do with the Gain and Master Volume controls. Balance them out and your good to go.

 

[Racerxrated]

If you don't care for the 2C+ then fine. There are some spendy amps out there that I've tried that I'm not impressed with. For me? These clips that have been posted, especially Superunknowns have been great compare/contrast the original to this one. This amp sounds great, and if its not exact to an original it sounds damn good anyway. I honestly could give 2 shits about the loop, because I slave out. Plus, I gigged with an SLO, never used delay because I hated how it changed the tone.

 

[VC4Ever]

From the truth video his clean master was at around 9 o'clock. That's the send level on clean. His gain setting on both high distortion channels are around maxxed out. The gain knobs are the send level control. Those are two very different send levels for the loop. This is probably the issue. Balance those out and report back to us, anyone with the amp.

 

[phil b]

From the truth video his clean master was at around 9 o'clock. That's the send level on clean. His gain setting on both high distortion channels are around maxxed out. The gain knobs are the send level control. Those are two very different send levels for the loop. This is probably the issue. Balance those out and report back to us, anyone with the amp.

Mesa just said that if your at low volume it happens. Sometimes when your at one volume and then go to another, the gains dont always equal out. Why are you so insistent that its still user error?

 

[VC4Ever]

Dude I just explained it in simple English. If you can't understand what I am talking about then sorry I can't help you. I am trying to find out if by balancing the clean and dirty channels send levels will the issue reduce or go away.

 

[phil b]

Dude I just explained it in simple English. If you can't understand what I am talking about then sorry I can't help you. I am trying to find out if by balancing the clean and dirty channels send levels with the issue reduce or go away.

Nothing for nothing but if Mesa is going to change out the pot then you honestly think by balancing out the channels at LOW volume is gonna be a fix? You cant help me thankfully cause I dont understand backwards country fuck logic.

 

[VC4Ever]

I know it's hard for inbreds to understand

 

[phil b]

I know it's hard for inbreds to understand

Thats why everyone has been trying to explain this whole thing to you. I am glad you can acknowledge your family issues though. Admitting is the hardest part so kudos!

 

[VC4Ever]

Well I just ordered one so I guess I am going to have to find out for myself. Time to switch channels with delay on for no apparent reason...

 

[Crunchtime]

Can't wait for the non mod sounds better debate.

 

[InFlames235]

Can't wait for the non mod sounds better debate.

Also surprised at no Metallica clips yet.

God I hope that this debate doesn't come up. Changing out just one of the components couldn't be THAT huge of a deal for tone ya? Maybe?

 

[cyndicate]

Dude I just explained it in simple English. If you can't understand what I am talking about then sorry I can't help you. I am trying to find out if by balancing the clean and dirty channels send levels will the issue reduce or go away.

I just got the amp today. At low volumes (all settings at 9:00) I put clean gain/MV at 9:00, also put ch. 2 gain/MV at 9:00 it still does the same thing with delay (Fractal FX8) in the loop. Big volume jump when there is a trailing delay. It's weird because it's comes in way louder than what ch. 2 is set it. There is probably a way to balance everything to unity but it is kind of retarded that it does it.

Assume same settings in ch. 1 both at 9:00, however you put ch. 2 gain at 7:00 and MV at 9:00, it does the same thing. So even if Ch. 2 (gain aka fx send) is set low it still does it.

You would have to get to retarded loud volumes where it isn't as bad.

I only spent 15mins fucking around with it though. Need to get back to work. Also, I still need to RTFM.

At the moment the only thing more annoying than the loop issue is I am getting a ground loop with my FX8 where i wasn't getting with my Mark V 25.

 

[InFlames235]

I hope there is a mesa certified tech nearby me for this fix when it comes out. I hate this issue - amp is arriving today and I was so stoked at first but my excitement has waned dramatically due to all this crap...

 

[VC4Ever]

Dude I just explained it in simple English. If you can't understand what I am talking about then sorry I can't help you. I am trying to find out if by balancing the clean and dirty channels send levels will the issue reduce or go away.

I just got the amp today. At low volumes (all settings at 9:00) I put clean gain/MV at 9:00, also put ch. 2 gain/MV at 9:00 it still does the same thing with delay (Fractal FX8) in the loop. Big volume jump when there is a trailing delay. It's weird because it's comes in way louder than what ch. 2 is set it. There is probably a way to balance everything to unity but it is kind of retarded that it does it.

Assume same settings in ch. 1 both at 9:00, however you put ch. 2 gain at 7:00 and MV at 9:00, it does the same thing. So even if Ch. 2 (gain aka fx send) is set low it still does it.

You would have to get to retarded loud volumes where it isn't as bad.

Thanks for the review. I guess people that want to switch between channels with delay are either going to have to get the mod or play really loud lol. I don't ever do that scenario but apparently its do or die for some.

I only spent 15mins fucking around with it though. Need to get back to work. Also, I still need to RTFM.

At the moment the only thing more annoying than the loop issue is I am getting a ground loop with my FX8 where i wasn't getting with my Mark V 25.

Thanks for the review. I guess people that want to switch between channels with delay are either going to have to get the mod or play really loud lol. I don't ever do that scenario but apparently its do or die for some.