whats another good guitar/gear forum???

[thiswaythatway]

Even though I think the 80's was the last decade of decent music, it was mixed in with tons of shit regardless of genre. Look at the big festivals, US Festival....TONS of fluff and shit there.
Compare that to Monterey, Woodstock and the countless pop festivals thu-out the 60's and 70's and you can see just what a lacking decade it was.

I disagree dude and its kind of apples and oranges. Heres a list of who played at Woodstock, are you going to tell me that was all killer and no filler?

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/m ... stock.html

Im not denying that there wasnt alot of shit in the 80's, blame that on the advent of MTV. Thats when alot of people stopped listening to music and started watching it. BUT, show me an era where there wasnt alot of shit, ya cant..

I'm actually grateful not to be influenced by any 80's guitarists. Most had no foundation.....it was all flash and no substance, which is why a few decades from now people will still revere the 60's and 70's for groundbreaking music , while the 80's will be a blip on the radar.

DeMartini,Lynch,Van Halen,Gary Moore, Vai, Satriani, Eric Johnson, Steve Morse, Yngwie, Randy Rhoades, Sykes, Jake Lee, Brad Gillis, Knopler, Holdsworth, Saraceno, Firkins, Bettencourt,Gilbert,Greg Howe, Kotzen,Jason Becker, Slash, Prince, Steve Stevens, The Edge, Dave Meniketti, Vivian Campbell..

do you really feel that all of those guys are all flash with no substance or foundation? Cmon...

The 80 will never be just a blip, younger generations are drinking it up and embracing it all the time. Shit just keep evolving and being built upon..

Kage, as far as Jimi and Trower I love them both but never compared them. If you wanna compare '69 Jimi tone to '69 Trower tone (Procal Harum) Trower loses.

Had Jimi lived into the 70's he would have been up to speed on all the tone tools and used them to his advantage.

I wasnt comparing them Carl , just stating that I liked Trowers 70's tone beter than Jimis 69 tone is all.. We'll never know what Jimi would have sounded like with better tone tools..regardless, I still think his live tone from 76 is my favorite live strat tone of all time. Loved Jimis tone at woodstock and the Fillmore as well but would it have sounded as good? who knows?

How often did Hendrix play live and sound like utter crap because he was fucked on drugs? I have a video at home where he sounds like a barrel full of assholes, out of tune, forgets where to start singing etc.

I love Led Zep but they were fucked all the time. Back in the 70's everyone assume's the concerts were always great but chances are 5 out of 10 times a band like Led Zep may have sucked live.
It's a shame how many great artists ended early because of drugs and or booze.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Now is the best time, if you do something with the tools at your disposal.

And this forum is still the best.....

Now simply is not the best time because talk to your average kid between 12-16 years old and they have no idea who Led Zep or Hendrix is, yet they can rattle off M&M lyrics.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Now simply is not the best time because talk to your average kid between 12-16 years old and they have no idea who Led Zep or Hendrix is, yet they can rattle off M&M lyrics.

I think it's unrealistic to expect kids to care about their grandparents guitar player centric music.

Hell if I was a teenager today with all the different avenues to entertain myself and fritter away the time, I'm not even sure I would have picked up the guitar in the first place.

 

[Gainzilla]

Now simply is not the best time because talk to your average kid between 12-16 years old and they have no idea who Led Zep or Hendrix is, yet they can rattle off M&M lyrics.

I think it's unrealistic to expect kids to care about their grandparents guitar player centric music.

Hell if I was a teenager today with all the different avenues to entertain myself and fritter away the time, I'm not even sure I would have picked up the guitar in the first place.

For me, the love affair started early. My Mom was always listening to classical and my Dad was always rocking Frank Sinatra,Tony Bennett, Perry Como and some Big band stuff. In 1969 I was 6 and IN LOVE with The Beatles, Elvis and Motown; not exactly guitar centric. Then I saw Jimi on the news and the guitar was cast in a whole different light. That was 69 going into 70 so that led to Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple etc and it was on and just snowballed right through the 80's until I finally picked up the guitar Late 86, early 87.

Admittedly, alot of the stuff that I was crazy about was what was popular at the time, I just came to it in a different way; Most kids were into it because it was popular, I was into it because of my fascination with the guitar even though I didnt play until many years later..

 

[rlord1974]

What's with all of the arguing about which decade was the best in terms of the music it produced?

This kind of seems as silly as arguing about which protein is better: chicken, pork, fish, beef or tofu? It all comes down to personal opinion folks, just personal opinion.

Empirical evidence does not exist - and shall never exist - supporting what music is "better" than the rest.

Turn up the music that floats YOUR boat, and change the station when you hear something that doesn't.




P.S. Blue is the best colour. Don't even try to argue it. No colour is as good as blue!

 

[Heritage Softail]

I remember listening to Bo Diddley. His first LP. I was a kid just blown away by it.

I'm a Man, Hey Bo Diddley... On Chess label. Back when white folk didn't play that black blues!

There has been great music in every generation, maybe the mainstream stuff of the era was rubbish to my ears, but there has always been something good. Rock and Roll and Metal will never die. It is the part of society that shakes their and and screams fuck you to conformity...

There are plenty of rock/metal good kids out there. Teach them and pass the torch on. I have given many a free guitar lesson or three to a neighborhood kid. There are many far better players than I that can pass on much more knowledge. I hope you will be part of the solution.

 

[Gainzilla]

What's with all of the arguing about which decade was the best in terms of the music it produced?

This kind of seems as silly as arguing about which protein is better: chicken, pork, fish, beef or tofu? It all comes down to personal opinion folks, just personal opinion.

Empirical evidence does not exist - and shall never exist - supporting what music is "better" than the rest.

Turn up the music that floats YOUR boat, and change the station when you hear something that doesn't.

That was my point Rob....

 

[Shiny_Surface]

Rock and Roll and Metal will never die. It is the part of society that shakes their and and screams fuck you to conformity...

What is rebellious about electric guitar in 2012.

2012 teen: I'm going to take up the electric guitar and rebel against my parents! By joining an online gear forum and watching middle aged gear collectors buy and sell gear.

It's just another safe hobby now.

Sorry couldn't resist...

 

[Gainzilla]

What is rebellious about electric guitar in 2012.

The year doesnt matter, its what you do with it that does...

2012 teen: I'm going to take up the electric guitar and rebel against my parents! By joining an online gear forum and watching middle aged gear collectors buy and sell gear.
It's just another safe hobby now.

Sorry couldn't resist...

Lame generalization is lame Tom!!!

 

['63-Strat]

I work with kids-adults with music and believe it or not most of the kids involved most certainly DO know most of the greats from the 60s through 90s quite well, surprisingly. That said, playing guitar, while certainly more "accessible" than probably ever before probably isn't as "cool" as it was in the 80s in other kids' eyes. Rock music isn't on the top 40 very often and if anything kids are probably more into learning how to DJ these days....

 

[Shiny_Surface]

The year doesnt matter, its what you do with it that does...

I think the "danger" of rock and roll has run it's course, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think it's largely a sanitized white washed hobby these days, but you're right I'm sure a small minority will somehow make it rebellious, just in dwindling numbers compared to the past. Again just imo the future will tell the tale.

Lame generalization is lame Tom!!!

Yes it was a generalization, one based partly in truth imo and by the way my generalization included myself.

I just think it's funny how (potentially) absurd growing up these days can be looking for your identity and/or method of rebellion as a teen.

You can be a teen in 2012 and "rebel" with the guitar, join a forum and actually be talking to your parents/grandparents in a safe/sanitized environment. I guess my humor didn't come across in the written word that well sorry.

 

[guitarmike]

I think the "danger" of rock and roll has run it's course, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think it's largely a sanitized white washed hobby these days.

Bingo!
Popular music is over thought, focused grouped, and sanitized to the point of being irrelevant to most young people. We need a new Rolling Stones, Hendrix, or GNR. We need a dangerous band that writes good music and doesn't play by the rules. A band that grabs attention without being phoney. Then and only then will rock return to the top of the heap.

 

[colimofsmoke]

Some of You guys have a really mainstream idea of what rock is or can be. There are tons of underground bands making fucking killer music that is challenging and even at times "dangerous.". It might not float your boat, and almost certainly won't if you love all the 80's players listed earlier in the thread, but it's out there. And seriously, the 80's? Of all the decades, you pick the one of midi and spandex and hairspray and sterile recording techniques? There's tons of good music from the 90's, and great players. You may not like dinosaur jr., but j mascis rips. My bloody valentine? Alice in chains is great guitar driven music, likewise with Tool. 90's death metal? A lot of it is not great music, but hell if there arent some amazing players. Ever heard the guy from Cryptopsy? I highly doubt that 90% of the people on this board could play those songs. I love 80's Metallica and slayer and a ton of other shit, but the 80's are far from the pinnacle of music, unless you prefer technique over style or substance, IMO. And as far as new guitar bands, there are plenty with killer players and good songwriting. Heard Vektor, Tombs, Asunder, Twilight? Might not be your thing, but those dudes can play.

Fwiw, i do think this is usually the best forum, probably because I have expensive taste and like to hear about the boutique stuff, but the modded Marshalls, VS threads, 80's focus, and some of the metal slamming do make it hard to swallow some days.

Cheers

 

[Heritage Softail]

I think the "danger" of rock and roll has run it's course, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think it's largely a sanitized white washed hobby these days.

Bingo!
Popular music is over thought, focused grouped, and sanitized to the point of being irrelevant to most young people. We need a new Rolling Stones, Hendrix, or GNR. We need a dangerous band that writes good music and doesn't play by the rules. A band that grabs attention without being phoney. Then and only then will rock return to the top of the heap.

Most shredders hate grunge, but that intensity is what Nirvana brought.

 

[Gainzilla]

Some of You guys have a really mainstream idea of what rock is or can be. There are tons of underground bands making fucking killer music that is challenging and even at times "dangerous.". It might not float your boat, and almost certainly won't if you love all the 80's players listed earlier in the thread, but it's out there. And seriously, the 80's? Of all the decades, you pick the one of midi and spandex and hairspray and sterile recording techniques? There's tons of good music from the 90's, and great players. You may not like dinosaur jr., but j mascis rips. My bloody valentine? Alice in chains is great guitar driven music, likewise with Tool. 90's death metal? A lot of it is not great music, but hell if there arent some amazing players. Ever heard the guy from Cryptopsy? I highly doubt that 90% of the people on this board could play those songs. I love 80's Metallica and slayer and a ton of other shit, but the 80's are far from the pinnacle of music, unless you prefer technique over style or substance, IMO. And as far as new guitar bands, there are plenty with killer players and good songwriting. Heard Vektor, Tombs, Asunder, Twilight? Might not be your thing, but those dudes can play.

Fwiw, i do think this is usually the best forum, probably because I have expensive taste and like to hear about the boutique stuff, but the modded Marshalls, VS threads, 80's focus, and some of the metal slamming do make it hard to swallow some days.

Cheers

Substance is relative right? couldnt someone say what you just said about the 80's about the bands that youve mentioned? People are into what theyre into; thats never going to change. Still, slamming an entire genre of music is still kind of silly..

 

[colimofsmoke]

Exactly. That's what I was saying. Several people in here have said that everything past the 80's is bad. That's not slamming a genre, it's slamming over two decades of music of all genres.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Some of You guys have a really mainstream idea of what rock is or can be. There are tons of underground bands making fucking killer music that is challenging and even at times "dangerous.". It might not float your boat, and almost certainly won't if you love all the 80's players listed earlier in the thread, but it's out there. And seriously, the 80's? Of all the decades, you pick the one of midi and spandex and hairspray and sterile recording techniques? There's tons of good music from the 90's, and great players. You may not like dinosaur jr., but j mascis rips. My bloody valentine? Alice in chains is great guitar driven music, likewise with Tool. 90's death metal? A lot of it is not great music, but hell if there arent some amazing players. Ever heard the guy from Cryptopsy? I highly doubt that 90% of the people on this board could play those songs. I love 80's Metallica and slayer and a ton of other shit, but the 80's are far from the pinnacle of music, unless you prefer technique over style or substance, IMO. And as far as new guitar bands, there are plenty with killer players and good songwriting. Heard Vektor, Tombs, Asunder, Twilight? Might not be your thing, but those dudes can play.

Fwiw, i do think this is usually the best forum, probably because I have expensive taste and like to hear about the boutique stuff, but the modded Marshalls, VS threads, 80's focus, and some of the metal slamming do make it hard to swallow some days.

Cheers

Yeah the 80's of all decades! The decade that produced Blizzard Of Oz, Back In Black, Master Of Puppets, Appetite For Destruction, Rush Moving Pictures, Number Of The Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Fair Warning, 1984.

Every one of those albums has timeless riffs and tunes. I think some of you are sucking on hairspray fumes yourselves.

 

[guitarmike]

Exactly. That's what I was saying. Several people in here have said that everything past the 80's is bad. That's not slamming a genre, it's slamming over two decades of music of all genres.

I do believe the golden era of rock was 65-94 or so. That said, I do listen to some newer bands that sound great. As you stated, it is all underground which is my point, until we get a band that makes a world wide statement, like the Beatles, or GNR, etc, it will stay underground.

 

[carlygtr]

Some of You guys have a really mainstream idea of what rock is or can be. There are tons of underground bands making fucking killer music that is challenging and even at times "dangerous.". It might not float your boat, and almost certainly won't if you love all the 80's players listed earlier in the thread, but it's out there. And seriously, the 80's? Of all the decades, you pick the one of midi and spandex and hairspray and sterile recording techniques? There's tons of good music from the 90's, and great players. You may not like dinosaur jr., but j mascis rips. My bloody valentine? Alice in chains is great guitar driven music, likewise with Tool. 90's death metal? A lot of it is not great music, but hell if there arent some amazing players. Ever heard the guy from Cryptopsy? I highly doubt that 90% of the people on this board could play those songs. I love 80's Metallica and slayer and a ton of other shit, but the 80's are far from the pinnacle of music, unless you prefer technique over style or substance, IMO. And as far as new guitar bands, there are plenty with killer players and good songwriting. Heard Vektor, Tombs, Asunder, Twilight? Might not be your thing, but those dudes can play.

Fwiw, i do think this is usually the best forum, probably because I have expensive taste and like to hear about the boutique stuff, but the modded Marshalls, VS threads, 80's focus, and some of the metal slamming do make it hard to swallow some days.

Cheers

Yeah the 80's of all decades! The decade that produced Blizzard Of Oz, Back In Black, Master Of Puppets, Appetite For Destruction, Rush Moving Pictures, Number Of The Beast, Screaming for Vengeance, Fair Warning, 1984.

Every one of those albums has timeless riffs and tunes. I think some of you are sucking on hairspray fumes yourselves.

I agree and I said it before, I thought the 80's was the last decade of really good music. I'm older so I like the older stuff but the shit this guy listed is forgettable dogshit. Sorry, but bands like Nirvana paved the way for a decade of suicidal no-talents who stared at their shoes. I would rather listen to 70's Disco than that crap.

 

[Anonymous]

okay well.....what are some good metals forums???? that talk about bands, gear, shit like that... but thanks guys for a very interesting read...