Reissue Triple Recto Clips?

[Exo-metal]

Let's hear yours

Sounded killer to me. Juicy and full of life and that was on a low volume laptop

I returned mine bc it wasn't worth keeping. His clip sounds weak bc of the amp. Go back to post#51 from the link he posted and compare.

Tell me this, would anyone be compelled to run out out and buy this amp based off this clip?

 

[Sixstringflannel]

Both clips sounded great to me but there are variables behind each recording and mods on the amp post #51. Both clips (Holy-Divers and #51) though led me to deciding to go with the triple and I don’t even play that style. Horses for courses or whatever the hell the saying is. I love my triple RI and the Dual RI and will happily embrace my shit eating grin playing both living in my naive butt rock world.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

@Exo-metal @SPRTAN

Two clips:
90's Triple RI - Orange Modern channel
90's Dual RI - Orange Modern channel

Both amps on Silicone Diodes, Bold power. No pedal boost, but I do have an EQ in my guitar I used to turn up some treble by like 5-6 db and turn down some lows by maybe 3-4 db or so. I set the controls on the amp mostly the same, meaning that due to manufacturing pot variance I tweaked a few knobs to try and get the amps close to each other, but each knob is basically within a single "o'clock" setting of the corresponding control on the other amp. Signal chain is identical with both amps. Amp swapping was done with a KHE amp switcher. Guitar recorded with a looper, and both amps were reamped using the recorded loop.

My goal wasn't to make either amp sound particularly great, but more to see how close I could get them to each other with a more or less starting baseline kinda tone with BMT all somewhere between 10:00-2:00, with some gain but not a crazy amount dialed in. The idea is that if you can get them sounding close enough that way, then you can be pretty confident that whatever you can do with one, you can probably do with the other.





The biggest difference I found with the way I dialed these amps is that the Triple had more upper Presence even though the Triple's Presence knob was dialed lower than the Dual's. Here's what I mean. I applied a high shelf cut to the Triple Reissue in post, then played the two clips together. Phase cancelling one of the amps after applying this EQ to the Triple almost completely negated them.

That's how close they are when not cranked.

Again, the poweramps were not clipping so poweramp distortion, or one amp's ability to stay tighter at higher levels, wasn't really a factor here. I'm sure as you turn them up, the differences would become more pronounced in that the Triple would hold together and stay tighter longer.

Overall, I think these amps are very, very close. I could have probably dialed them even closer if I turned the Presence down more on the Triple. Neither one of these amps is more "flat and lifeless" than the other. They're both great amps.

 

[Exo-metal]

I appreciate your effort here. I could benefit from a live in the room comparison with the amps boosted using similar settings and speaker cabs. I see how much work this must be so I want to thank you for it.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

I appreciate your effort here. I could benefit from a live in the room comparison with the amps boosted using similar settings and speaker cabs. I see how much work this must be so I want to thank you for it.

Sure thing!

It's tough to compare pretty much anything in a signal chain unless you really take the time to isolate all the variables. In the room with a cab, something as seemingly insignificant as moving your head a few inches in any direction can change the phase interactions of all the sounds in the room hitting your ears and how you hear the highs vs the mids vs lows, etc. If that can change your perception as much as it does, everything else is only going to mess with what you hear even more. Different room? Different cab? Different guitar? Standing in a different spot? It might sound great (or terrible) but the comparison is no longer valid.

Because of this stuff, I basically never trust any amp-in-the-room situation for comparisons, unless whatever you're comparing is right there and you can swap back and fourth instantly without having to move around.

 

[FourT6and2]

Sure thing!

It's tough to compare pretty much anything in a signal chain unless you really take the time to isolate all the variables. In the room with a cab, something as seemingly insignificant as moving your head a few inches in any direction can change the phase interactions of all the sounds in the room hitting your ears and how you hear the highs vs the mids vs lows, etc. If that can change your perception as much as it does, everything else is only going to mess with what you hear even more. Different room? Different cab? Different guitar? Standing in a different spot? It might sound great (or terrible) but the comparison is no longer valid.

Because of this stuff, I basically never trust any amp-in-the-room situation for comparisons, unless whatever you're comparing is right there and you can swap back and fourth instantly without having to move around.

For me, it's the opposite. I hate mic'd clips unless it's for actually recording a polished, mixed song. All you're recording with a close mic is the tiny section of speaker cone. Just sounds like static to me. No body. Missing half the meat the speaker is putting out and missing the cab resonance and yes... room resonance too. But I can get a better idea of an amp's character from a room clip than close mic. 99% of all close mic clips sound about the same to me: a wall of white noise and bees in a can.

I'd rather hear something like this:

 

[SPRTAN]

@Exo-metal @SPRTAN

Two clips:
90's Triple RI - Orange Modern channel
90's Dual RI - Orange Modern channel

Both amps on Silicone Diodes, Bold power. No pedal boost, but I do have an EQ in my guitar I used to turn up some treble by like 5-6 db and turn down some lows by maybe 3-4 db or so. I set the controls on the amp mostly the same, meaning that due to manufacturing pot variance I tweaked a few knobs to try and get the amps close to each other, but each knob is basically within a single "o'clock" setting of the corresponding control on the other amp. Signal chain is identical with both amps. Amp swapping was done with a KHE amp switcher. Guitar recorded with a looper, and both amps were reamped using the recorded loop.

My goal wasn't to make either amp sound particularly great, but more to see how close I could get them to each other with a more or less starting baseline kinda tone with BMT all somewhere between 10:00-2:00, with some gain but not a crazy amount dialed in. The idea is that if you can get them sounding close enough that way, then you can be pretty confident that whatever you can do with one, you can probably do with the other.





The biggest difference I found with the way I dialed these amps is that the Triple had more upper Presence even though the Triple's Presence knob was dialed lower than the Dual's. Here's what I mean. I applied a high shelf cut to the Triple Reissue in post, then played the two clips together. Phase cancelling one of the amps after applying this EQ to the Triple almost completely negated them.

That's how close they are when not cranked.

Again, the poweramps were not clipping so poweramp distortion, or one amp's ability to stay tighter at higher levels, wasn't really a factor here. I'm sure as you turn them up, the differences would become more pronounced in that the Triple would hold together and stay tighter longer.

Overall, I think these amps are very, very close. I could have probably dialed them even closer if I turned the Presence down more on the Triple. Neither one of these amps is more "flat and lifeless" than the other. They're both great amps.

Thank you for the clips and effort playing. Really!
But you can’t say “I did boost treble by 6db (that’s almost to much for a EQ)” plus turn the Bass down by almost the same amount (wich results in even more treble perception).
And then say: “It doesn’t sound lifeless”.

You’ve reached the point where a Multiwatt could’ve been make more sense. Because that’s a sound the old ones and the Reissue are not designed for. They are dark, warm and thick by design. And that’s fine.
But for noted reasons, what you’re after de facto the wrong.

I was on the exact same road. Dimed presence. Dimed Treble. And did Throw a EQ with significant Treble boost and Bass/low mid cut in.

This showed me: It’s the wrong tool for the job. Went back to the Multiwatt. Have the same results with everything at around 11-3 o clock.