Mesa 4x12 Wiring: Before and After

[fearhk213]

If you can find that, please link it.

Unfortunately, the links for the clips are dead, but this was the thread:

Thread 'Did some cork sniffing: Series/Parallel vs Parallel/Series'

Feb 5, 2010

Cork sniffing or real?

Well, I have to say, after I wired my cab with a switch to test the two alternatives (both give 16 Ohm total load with 4 16 Ohm speakers), I can say that there is definitely a difference, very noticeable in the room, still noticeable on recording.

I also did two sound files, using a Tascam DR-1 to try and capture the room. I think even on this recording you can hear a difference - both recordings were made just 2 minutes apart, all settings identical, just switched amp to standby to switch the cab from one wiring to the other.

Here are the two files...

• hunter
• Replies: 17
• Forum: Rig-Talk

 

[thegame]

Know what else helps is not being a total retard in tan pants thinking you will get better tone by upsizing the wire gauge for your speaker cab. So, anyone pls tell us what size conductor is connected to the speaker output jack inside your amp? There's a clue for you. The only reason to upsize is for losses, and how would you get losses? Heat and distance and the rated conductor connected to the output jack is sufficient as sized...I cannot believe the new blood and snake oil being passed around here on Rigtalk these days. You weak fags are down for cork smoke and tea time.

And to the dude who wants his speakers to match within .5 ohms is fucking is low key trippin...that's how much, not even 1 ohm!!! Anyone here think he makes sense with this bullshit? You are fucking high af bro. Get the fuck outta here. Who wants to answer this, how much current will your cab have to handle@100w 2.5A that is why the conductor doesn't need to be all these wild made up spec by lames in tin foil hats.

That’s an impressive rant, made even more impressive that it’s on it’s third edit already

 

[vultures]

I've seen those Pure Tone jacks before. They look good. But the only benefit I can see is maybe they hold the 1/4" plug tighter. The typical Switchcraft jack has been used in millions upon millions of guitars, amps, cabs, rack gear, pedals, and other equipment since 1940... That said, I'd rock those Pure Tone jacks if they were easy to get.

I impulse bought a ton of them years back. I just throw them in everything now out of habit. The only benefit is that they hold the jack tight, nothing else.

Bro, I use 16ohms and never would you need to say this at my house lol

That's because you use real amps. I use wimpy solid state stuff. I need all the power my measly power amps can put out.

 

[Exo-metal]

There is a lot of passion here. I have thought about why it shouldn't matter a lot. But I am also open minded to people that test it. I don't know that measuring is really the way to go, but i think if someone does two cabs side by side and have different shit going and one sounds better, that is good enough for me.

I remember the scumback guy i think was explaining why 12 gauge was better. There was a lot of outrage, and I really didn't understand why.

But after this thread, i know that 12 gauge or greater is fighting words.

I bought a roll of 12 gauge wire to try it out. I really wish i would have made before and after clips. Then i could have put them random and see if anyone could tell. For me, the cab sounded great before, and great after. It is hard to tell if I got more lowend coming through.

But if anyone wants to try, i can send them the wire. It is good tin foil hat type shit

Don't encourage anyone in a tin foil hat. The takers are many apparently.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Don't encourage anyone in a tin foil hat. The takers are many apparently.

I live for this shit

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

That's because you use real amps. I use wimpy solid state stuff. I need all the power my measly power amps can put out.

This is interesting. I wonder if playing at volume nullifies a lot of the perceived differences

 

[Exo-metal]

That’s an impressive rant, made even more impressive that it’s on it’s third edit already

We can't waste any opportunity to be concise when the last thread about this went on for what, 10 pages where the pros weighed in and it went on and on ad nauseum and this is all basic. Just like the tin foil hats the "pros" wear

 

[Mike Oxhuge]

Know what else helps is not being a total retard in tan pants thinking you will get better tone by upsizing the wire gauge for your speaker cab. So, anyone pls tell us what size conductor is connected to the speaker output jack inside your amp? There's a clue for you. The only reason to upsize is for losses, and how would you get losses? Heat and distance and the rated conductor connected to the output jack is sufficient as sized...I cannot believe the new blood and snake oil being passed around here on Rigtalk these days. You weak fags are down for cork smoke and tea time.

And to the dude who wants his speakers to match within .5 ohms is fucking is low key trippin...that's how much, not even 1 ohm!!! Anyone here think he makes sense with this bullshit? You are fucking high af bro. Get the fuck outta here. Who wants to answer this, how much current will your cab have to handle@100w 2.5A that is why the conductor doesn't need to be all these wild made up spec by lames in tin foil hats.

Hey man, don't keep that shit bottled up inside. Let it all out and tell us how you feel.

 

[Exo-metal]

Hey man, don't keep that shit bottled up inside. Let it all out and tell us how you feel.

Gotta call 'em out bro. Last go around was 10 pages strong and we're already here at 5 hoss

 

[Greazygeo]

Best wire to use is zero gauge welder wire for speaker cables and inside the cab. The low end is ferocious and the highs go beyond the stratosphere. Adds weight to the cabinet too. Win-Win!!

 

[JonPearson1994]

This is truly some TGP shit

Dude I'm gobsmacked reading this shit. What's even funnier is I just KNOW that all the claims of wire gauge having this huge impact certainly made no attempt to maintain the same conductor lengths.

Even setting aside all the possible reasons why disconnecting and reconnecting the wires between the speakers could cause some perceivable change besides the impact of the wire gauge, has no one considered that the act of pulling off the back of a cab (especially a previously unopened one) and putting it back on likely has as mechanical impact to be equivalent to redoing the wiring?

I'm willing to consider that there is some difference between wire gauges in theory, but I cannot entertain that it would have a greater impact than changing the torque applied to each screw for the back panel, or ahortening/lengthening the wires, or just getting a better or worse connection at the spade connectors.

Point being - lay off the meth folks.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

I am not sure who sounds more ridiculous. The ones saying it definitely matters, or the one saying nothing matters.

In amps, different brands (materials) of the same value caps and resistors matter. The wind number/wire size/material matter in pickups.

People claim the different types of wood and construction/baffle matter in cabs

I can't imagine being so completely sure one way or another without having tried a lot of the variables brought up here. Not everything is snake oil

 

[JonPearson1994]

I am not sure who sounds more ridiculous. The ones saying it definitely matters, or the one saying nothing matters.

In amps, different brands (materials) of the same value caps and resistors matter. The wind number/wire size/material matter in pickups.

People claim the different types of wood and construction/baffle matter in cabs

I can't imagine being so completely sure one way or another without having tried a lot of the variables brought up here. Not everything is snake oil

That word "matters" is just working so hard.

If you want to say there is a difference, well physics is on your side, there HAS to be by definition. The idea that it is both significant and repeatable enough to where I'd recommend using some big ass wire for tonal reasons is just just too silly to buy.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Well. There it is. It is too silly for Jon. Case closed

 

[JonPearson1994]

Well. There it is. It is too silly for Jon. Case closed

I mean yeah, not to pull the card but as an EE this is one of those handful of things on which I have a pretty solid grasp. That is the exact word for this shit - silly.

 

[FourT6and2]

I am not sure who sounds more ridiculous. The ones saying it definitely matters, or the one saying nothing matters.

I'm not saying "nothing" matters. I'm calling out unsupported claims.

In amps, different brands (materials) of the same value caps and resistors matter.

That's true. That's a supported claim. But probably not for the reasons you think. Can you please enlighten us as to how and why they matter? Specifically. Technically. Using math and physics to support your argument. For example, some resistors are carbon film, some are carbon composition, some are metal film, some are thin film. Why? Why do these all exist? What purpose do they serve? Why would you want to use one over the other in various parts of an electronic circuit?

And going further, what does that have to do with the point of this thread? Are you saying that if I had rewired this Mesa cab with 10 AWG, it would have made a difference? You realize I actually changed the wiring scheme, right? The point of this exercise was NOT about wire gauge. That is something somebody else brought up.

The wind number/wire size/material matter in pickups.

That's also true! And it's another supported claim. It's one of the major contributing factors to how and why a pickup functions. It's supported by actual math. It's part of how every pickup manufacturer designs their products. And same question as above... what does this have to do with this thread?

People claim the different types of wood and construction/baffle matter in cabs

That is an unsupported claim. And again, nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[creep66]

I just run my guitar straight to the power pole outside my windows. Major bass response and sick tone. Fuck all the gauge wire and bullshit, get down to the root of tone.

 

[Exo-metal]

I just run my guitar straight to the power pole outside my windows. Major bass response and sick tone. Fuck all the gauge wire and bullshit, get down to the root of tone.

Your tin foil hat is too tight bruh