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[VonBonfire]

Holy shit, you guys are all right, I just went and looked at the first video on every geartuber channel and they all said it; “Hey everyone, I’m a nobody but I feel my opinion is so important I had to make a Yotube channel that WE HAVE TO DISCUSS!”

Or-

Some guys looked at youtube and said “Ya know, I can keep posting my opinions no one asked for on RigTalk, TGP or TGF and not get paid like everyone else, or I can take that same opinion and say it into a camera and slap it on Youtube and potentially create another revenue stream for myself. There’s no guarantee it’ll be successful, but surely I will feel better about myself in the long run if I apply myself rather than sitting around and bitching about other people who apply themselves while I don’t”

Someone should have warned all those losers that their plan was without merit and all the awesome gear, opportunity and financial stability they’ve brought into their lives as a result of their efforts holds no weight, they would have gotten far more respect just posting their opinions no one asked for about geartubers on forums.

The problem is they get 25k or 50k+ followers, the majority of who are "guitarists" who don't/can't/haven't gigged and don't know what the hell they are doing, who tune in to the channel of a guy that more often than not doesn't actually know what he/she is doing either. Then they repeat bad info to others like it's gospel and the youtuber becomes convinced their opinion is more important because of the nature of having people +1 everything you say.

It used to be hard to find knowledge about guitar back when I was growing up in BF egypt and just getting into guitar. It was painstaking actually. And costly. Now with the world at my fingertips I still find it hard, but not because of lack of info, but because of lack of good info. Most of what is out there is garbage. If you are new to guitar, how are you supposed to sort out quality info from bad info in a tidal wave of mostly garbage vids? In a way, nothing has changed.

 

[311boogieman]

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Make no bones about it I bet that would sound great through a Monomyth Skeleton Key despite the neck and lack of locking nut.

 

[Meanjoegreene]

It would be one thing if they were actually good at playing guitar. Most of them are mediocre at best.
But no one ever said you need talent or even be likeable to make money on YouTube.

Then there is the shill aspect. Truth is the entire internet is an advertising platform. Rig Talk is an advertising platform.

I think at some level they’re really pissed about the potential of free or reduced gear drying up and/or pissed fender or the other big companies won’t send them free or reduced stuff

Plus the whole victim culture thing. I’m guessing they’d shit bricks if fender started selling guitars that looked exactly like a smaller company’s original design if such a thing exists

 

[stephen sawall]

Just like the rest of the music industry. You don't need to be talented, just popular. Unless you are teaching technique, you don't need it. Most metalheads tune into amp demos to hear how the palm muted open notes sound. Anything else is a bonus.

If they were any good at playing or writing music, they wouldn't be YouTubers. Glen Fricker is the perfect example of that. What the fuck has he ever done? His albums aren't winning Grammys. He's not on the radio. He's just some fat Canadian yelling at people through the internet. Why would I give a single flying fuck about his opinion of heavy guitars?

"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
-George Bernard Shaw

I value your opinion a lot more than Glens.

I much rather have a beer with you and many others on RT.

.........

Rig Talk is toxic ? Have you ever looked at the Comments on YouTube ?
I decided to ask AI. Really enjoyed it a decided to share.

You said: why is rig talk toxic ?why is rig talk toxic ?
+1

Rig-Talk has earned a reputation for being one of the more abrasive online communities for guitarists. Discussions frequently devolve into toxicity due to a culture of elitism regarding boutique gear, intense gatekeeping of "proper" tone, hyper-critical behavior, and aggressive political or off-topic arguments. [1, 2]
The volatility on the forum typically stems from a few specific behaviors:

• Gear Elitism & Snobbery: The community is highly focused on high-end, boutique amplifiers (like Soldano, Diezel, and Bogner). Users often look down on budget equipment, digital modelers, or solid-state amps, leading to condescending replies regarding "cheap" setups. [1]
• Intense Gatekeeping: There is little room for subjectivity. Long-time members often enforce strict, dogmatic views on what makes "good tone," aggressively mocking opinions that stray from the perceived consensus. [1]
• Mob Mentality: The forum has a notorious history of targeting both newcomers and experienced players. Users will often nitpick a user's playing technique, tone choices, or gear decisions, which frequently drives competent players away from the platform. [1]
• Unmoderated Off-Topic Sections: The toxicity spills over from the gear boards into the non-music sections. Aggressive political, cultural, and personal debates are common, leading to flame wars and personal attacks that the moderation team struggles to contain. [1]

If you are looking for other guitar communities with different dynamics, let me know what kind of gear, genre of music, or discussion style you are interested in. I can point you toward a more suitable forum or social media group.
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[311boogieman]

I value your opinion a lot more than Glens.

I much rather have a beer with you and many others on RT.

.........

Rig Talk is toxic ? Have you ever looked at the Comments on YouTube ?
I decided to ask AI. Really enjoyed it a decided to share.

You said: why is rig talk toxic ?why is rig talk toxic ?
+1

Rig-Talk has earned a reputation for being one of the more abrasive online communities for guitarists. Discussions frequently devolve into toxicity due to a culture of elitism regarding boutique gear, intense gatekeeping of "proper" tone, hyper-critical behavior, and aggressive political or off-topic arguments. [1, 2]
The volatility on the forum typically stems from a few specific behaviors:

• Gear Elitism & Snobbery: The community is highly focused on high-end, boutique amplifiers (like Soldano, Diezel, and Bogner). Users often look down on budget equipment, digital modelers, or solid-state amps, leading to condescending replies regarding "cheap" setups. [1]
• Intense Gatekeeping: There is little room for subjectivity. Long-time members often enforce strict, dogmatic views on what makes "good tone," aggressively mocking opinions that stray from the perceived consensus. [1]
• Mob Mentality: The forum has a notorious history of targeting both newcomers and experienced players. Users will often nitpick a user's playing technique, tone choices, or gear decisions, which frequently drives competent players away from the platform. [1]
• Unmoderated Off-Topic Sections: The toxicity spills over from the gear boards into the non-music sections. Aggressive political, cultural, and personal debates are common, leading to flame wars and personal attacks that the moderation team struggles to contain. [1]

If you are looking for other guitar communities with different dynamics, let me know what kind of gear, genre of music, or discussion style you are interested in. I can point you toward a more suitable forum or social media group.
tell me how you really feel (about ENGL) - Rig-Talk
Apr 10, 2024 — This one, i definitely understand, but with a bit of a caveat. There is no doubt that relative to other amps in any given range, especially at savage 120 pricep...
Rig-Talk
I don't get the Dumble thing | Page 7 - The Gear Forum
May 10, 2024 — Achilles said: Rig Talk wasn't the original name of that forum. They'd tried out a number of other's before settling on that. - Misogynists Central. - The Homo ...
The Gear Forum
Rig Talk - Facebook
Nov 25, 2015 — Rig Talk. 871 likes. A high end boutique forum with over 14500 guitar & bass players amplifying their sonic passions. The source for tonal perfection!
Facebook·Rig Talk
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"Toxicity spills over into the non-music forums"

I think it is the other way around.

The main gear section here is hardly abrassive imo

 

[DrewJD82]

If you are new to guitar, how are you supposed to sort out quality info from bad info in a tidal wave of mostly garbage vids? In a way, nothing has changed.

I’m not too concerned about the incoming guitar players; they’ve got a whole world opened up to them of infinite tones for dirt cheap. They’ll figure it out in the opposite direction we did; instead of making whatever gear work for them until they could afford the thing that actually does what they want, they get to start off with ALL the options and eventually whittle their way down to what they actually want, opposed to crossing items off a short list of what was available and affordable in the 80’s/90’s and then saving up for a year or two to buy an amp you’re hopefully going to love for a long time.

 

[DrewJD82]

It would be one thing if they were actually good at playing guitar. Most of them are mediocre at best.
But no one ever said you need talent or even be likeable to make money on YouTube.

Then there is the shill aspect. Truth is the entire internet is a advertising platform. Rig Talk is a advertising platform.

And there’s ample guys who have been posting hot takes here and every other forum for years and we’ve never heard a single clip from them.

I’m having a hard time comprehending how posting an opinion in written format without any evidence of playing ability has more merit than posting an opinion in video form with an ample well of playing examples.

 

[VonBonfire]

I’m not too concerned about the incoming guitar players; they’ve got a whole world opened up to them of infinite tones for dirt cheap. They’ll figure it out in the opposite direction we did; instead of making whatever gear work for them until they could afford the thing that actually does what they want, they get to start off with ALL the options and eventually whittle their way down to what they actually want, opposed to crossing items off a short list of what was available and affordable in the 80’s/90’s and then saving up for a year or two to buy an amp you’re hopefully going to love for a long time.

That was a plexi 100 watt for me. I couldn't figure out where the gain was, LOL. It only took me like six years of ownership to realize that I could cross channel it after I saw a pic and short article in a guitar magazine.

 

[Findthetone1]

And there’s ample guys who have been posting hot takes here and every other forum for years and we’ve never heard a single clip from them.

I’m having a hard time comprehending how posting an opinion in written format without any evidence of playing ability has more merit than posting an opinion in video form with an ample well of playing examples.

Because some of us, that have been playing for decades, feel no need to try and base the worth of our opinion by posting videos. That's a phenomenon created by this whole ball of shit the internet created and narcissistic view. I've met and talked to hundreds if not thousands of players over the years, many of whom I have never heard play, but we still talked gear and unless the person was an obvious douchebag bullshitter, I never once considered their opinion null because there was no "proof" of playing ability. There have multiple successful producers and engineers that don't play as well, or at all that still know a shit ton about gear and tone and how to make a good record. Can I play? Yes. But I'm way past the "I'm better than that guy" dick measure bullshit.

 

[311boogieman]

Because some of us, that have been playing for decades, feel no need to try and base the worth of our opinion by posting videos. That's a phenomenon created by this whole ball of shit the internet created and narcissistic view. I've met and talked to hundreds if not thousands of players over the years, many of whom I have never heard play, but we still talked gear and unless the person was an obvious douchebag bullshitter, I never once considered their opinion null because there was no "proof" of playing ability. There have multiple successful producers and engineers that don't play as well, or at all that still know a shit ton about gear and tone and how to make a good record. Can I play? Yes. But I'm way past the "I'm better than that guy" dick measure bullshit.

the clips I've posted are pretty crappy so that means my opinions and advice are crappy.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

the clips I've posted are pretty crappy so that means my opinions and advice are crappy.

You don't need to be a mater chef to know if the food is exquisite or taste like dog shit.

 

[Rottweiler]

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I'm jealous of those wonderfully formed, symmetric disks in that spine.

 

[anomaly]

Back when Howard Stern was controversial on the radio and people called in to complain, the FCC told people they could change the channel if they didn’t like him.

Turned out, 75% of his audience were people who identified as haters.

People LOVE to hate on other people. It's a favorite pass time activity.

 

[anomaly]

i remember reading an article about that, how people couldnt stand him but would tune in to "hear what he says next".

I know, it's retarded don't you think??

 

[Rottweiler]

I value your opinion a lot more than Glens.

I much rather have a beer with you and many others on RT.

.........

Rig Talk is toxic ? Have you ever looked at the Comments on YouTube ?
I decided to ask AI. Really enjoyed it a decided to share.

You said: why is rig talk toxic ?why is rig talk toxic ?

I share the same sentiment about a lot of you here. I'd rather hang/jam/learn from a lot of you all vs some hype clown.

Just last night, I had spent 30 mins writing a response, then deleted it knowing I don't have the accomplishments or specific knowledge to give advice in that situation. I got lucky as a kid, was in the right place at the right time, lied about my age and played out / opened with some big acts. It had nothing to do with talent. It doesn't make me an expert at anything other than learning how recognize ego issues and not argue with bandmates.

As to AI - it is only reading what some half worthless, tan skinny fit pants wearing troll says about rig talk. I've seen a lot of you be much nicer to some people than I would have been. Some people are just coming in too hot and need taken down a peg or two. Not to mention the clowns who programmed AI.

 

[skoora]

I share the same sentiment about a lot of you here. I'd rather hang/jam/learn from a lot of you all vs some hype clown.

Just last night, I had spent 30 mins writing a response, then deleted it knowing I don't have the accomplishments or specific knowledge to give advice in that situation. I got lucky as a kid, was in the right place at the right time, lied about my age and played out / opened with some big acts. It had nothing to do with talent. It doesn't make me an expert at anything other than learning how recognize ego issues and not argue with bandmates.

As to AI - it is only reading what some half worthless, tan skinny fit pants wearing troll says about rig talk. I've seen a lot of you be much nicer to some people than I would have been. Some people are just coming in too hot and need taken down a peg or two. Not to mention the clowns who programmed AI.

Most A.I. is not actually intelligent. It’s just an aggregate sorter, so is only going to spit out what it finds which is written by humans or other A.I. Unfortunately this row of chimps is not ever going to spit out original Shakespeare.

 

[DrewJD82]

You don't need to be a mater chef to know if the food is exquisite or taste like dog shit.

Nope, but if you order something off the menu without knowing what it is, assuming you know what it is or ordering a steak without actually understanding what Rare, Medium Rare, Medium etc means, the server, manager and cooks are all going to be back in the kitchen saying “Just get this food out to the fucking idiot who has no fucking clue what they want so they can get the fuck out of here” because they’ll all be able to tell by how you talk about it that you didn’t know what you were ordering.

That’s gotta be the worst argument for this stuff. The general public regularly acts like absolutely dumbasses in restaurants and takes offense 100% of the time for being uninformed about their own choices. Go to any restaurant that has capers as an ingredient and ask them how often the dishes with them are sent back by a bitchy guest.

 

[stephen sawall]

I see a big difference between people that post videos and people that post videos trying to make money. I see spam as separate.

I have meet several people that post on Rig Talk. Some of them have been excellent players. All of them are into gear.

I certainly don't have anything against anyone trying to make money on YouTube. It's only a advertising platform with limited entertainment value.

 

[MadAsAHatter]

Nope, but if you order something off the menu without knowing what it is, assuming you know what it is or ordering a steak without actually understanding what Rare, Medium Rare, Medium etc means, the server, manager and cooks are all going to be back in the kitchen saying “Just get this food out to the fucking idiot who has no fucking clue what they want so they can get the fuck out of here” because they’ll all be able to tell by how you talk about it that you didn’t know what you were ordering.

That’s gotta be the worst argument for this stuff. The general public regularly acts like absolutely dumbasses in restaurants and takes offense 100% of the time for being uninformed about their own choices. Go to any restaurant that has capers as an ingredient and ask them how often the dishes with them are sent back by a bitchy guest.

Man, you're taking a light hearted comment way too seriously. Maybe go see a doctor about that stick stuck in you bum.

 

[RaceU4her]

I know, it's retarded don't you think??

to me it is, as is the over the top hatred for youtubers by many here, which i have been questioning and trying to understand for years. Like i always say, most of these guys are entertainment for me discussing the exact same things we do here while im on my treadmill or sitting in traffic. How a thumbnail pic or a stupid title, which everyone knows is the youtube game, gets people so pissed off is beyond me. I then think of my father though, who HATED beavis and butthead when i was a kid. Not cause kids were spray painting cats assholes or cutting down utility poles after watching, it was because he couldnt handle one person was making a ton of money off something so easy to produce and so stupid. He would be at gatherings, kind of like people make threads here, yelling and screaming how much he hated them, and it was all about money. i gotta believe people just cant handle dudes are youtube famous, making money and getting free gear

i cant find the article, but heres the ai answer about Stern

Howard Stern Fans	1 hour 20 minutes
Howard Stern Haters	2 hours 30 minutes

The primary motivation for both fans and detractors is curiosity about what Stern will say next. This compelling nature of his content keeps listeners tuned in, regardless of their feelings towards him.

• Fans: Enjoy the entertainment and unpredictability.
• Haters: Listen to anticipate and critique his controversial remarks.

This dynamic illustrates Howard Stern's unique ability to captivate a wide audience, making him a significant figure in radio and media.